Alphabet cyrillique ou alphabet latin ?
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Alphabet cyrillique ou alphabet latin ?
Krispoluk Dim 27 Mar - 10:24
Un député de la Rada vient de lancer l'idée de changer l'alphabet en Ukraine pour adopter l'alphabet latin 
L'idée n'est peut être pas aussi saugrenue qu'elle pourrait le sembler... L'exemple du changement récent intervenu au Kazakhstan le confirme.
D'autre part, l'alphabet latin était déjà en usage dans l'ouest de l'Ukraine sous domination austro-hongroise avant 1914 et d'autres pays slaves à l'ouest du Boug ont toujours utilisé l'alphabet latin sans complication.
Quoi qu'il en soit, une telle mesure couterait très cher à l'Ukraine en cette période de disette et provoquerait la colère de Moscou
L'article en question :
Paul Goble
Staunton, March 21 – To solidify its break from a Russia-dominated space, Ukraine should shift from the Russian-based Cyrillic alphabet Moscow imposed on it to a script based on the Latin alphabet used by European countries, according to Aleksandr Donyi, the head of the Last Barricade social organization and a former deputy of the Verkhovna Rada.
He has been pushing this idea on his Facebook page, arguing that the Latin script developed for Ukrainian by a Czech linguist in the 19th century not only is more adequate to the sound values of Ukrainian but also represents more accurately Ukraine’s position in the world (turkist.org/2016/03/ukraine-cyrillic-latin.html).
Such a shift would be difficult and expensive and would certainly outrage Moscow which has opposed all shifts away from Cyrillic in other post-Soviet states, most recently in Kazakhstan (windowoneurasia2.blogspot.com/2016/02/kazakhstan-recommits-to-dropping.html). But it is not as marginal and exotic an idea as many in the West may think.
Not only were Ukrainian texts of the 16th and 17th centuries written in the Latin script, but several scholars in the 19th century – Iosif Lozinskyi of Lviv and Joseph Irecek of Prague – worked out a modernized Latin script for Ukrainian. And in the 19th and early 20th century, Ukrainians living in Austro-Hungary used a Latin script.
Donyi says that he is encouraged by Kazakhstan’s decision and that of other post-Soviet Turkic republics to shift away from the Russian script Moscow imposed on them in the 1920s and 1930s and by the fact that many Slavic peoples, including the Poles, the Slovenes, the Slovaks, and the Czechs use the Latin script.
The benefits to Ukraine of such a shift are obvious: it would mark a final break with the Moscow-centered state to the east and put Ukraine on a trajectory more like Poland and the Czech Republic. But there are real costs beyond those imposed on the state by such a shift – and they will have to be considered before any such step is made.
On the one hand, it is virtually certain that ethnic Russians in Ukraine would insist on retaining the Cyrillic script of their nation, something that would exacerbate the tensions between the two peoples by underscoring the civilizational divide between them and possibly create conditions for even more Moscow-orchestrated Russian separatism in Ukraine.
And on the other, every time a country changes alphabets, it not only tends to cut off its population from the past when a different script was used but leads to a decline in reading of the media and literature because many people familiar with the older script find it uncomfortable to say no more to use the new one.
Over time, these difficulties can be overcome; but in the short term, they may be prohibitively large. At the very least, however, talking about shifting away from a Russian alphabet that the Russian empire in its various guises imposed on Ukraine is a useful next step in Ukraine’s turn away from Eurasia toward Europe.
http://windowoneurasia2.blogspot.fr/2016/03/ukraine-should-shift-from-cyrillic-to.html
L'idée n'est peut être pas aussi saugrenue qu'elle pourrait le sembler... L'exemple du changement récent intervenu au Kazakhstan le confirme.
D'autre part, l'alphabet latin était déjà en usage dans l'ouest de l'Ukraine sous domination austro-hongroise avant 1914 et d'autres pays slaves à l'ouest du Boug ont toujours utilisé l'alphabet latin sans complication.
Quoi qu'il en soit, une telle mesure couterait très cher à l'Ukraine en cette période de disette et provoquerait la colère de Moscou
L'article en question :
Ukraine Should Shift from Cyrillic to Latin Script, Former Verkhovna Rada Deputy Says
Paul Goble
Staunton, March 21 – To solidify its break from a Russia-dominated space, Ukraine should shift from the Russian-based Cyrillic alphabet Moscow imposed on it to a script based on the Latin alphabet used by European countries, according to Aleksandr Donyi, the head of the Last Barricade social organization and a former deputy of the Verkhovna Rada.
He has been pushing this idea on his Facebook page, arguing that the Latin script developed for Ukrainian by a Czech linguist in the 19th century not only is more adequate to the sound values of Ukrainian but also represents more accurately Ukraine’s position in the world (turkist.org/2016/03/ukraine-cyrillic-latin.html).
Such a shift would be difficult and expensive and would certainly outrage Moscow which has opposed all shifts away from Cyrillic in other post-Soviet states, most recently in Kazakhstan (windowoneurasia2.blogspot.com/2016/02/kazakhstan-recommits-to-dropping.html). But it is not as marginal and exotic an idea as many in the West may think.
Not only were Ukrainian texts of the 16th and 17th centuries written in the Latin script, but several scholars in the 19th century – Iosif Lozinskyi of Lviv and Joseph Irecek of Prague – worked out a modernized Latin script for Ukrainian. And in the 19th and early 20th century, Ukrainians living in Austro-Hungary used a Latin script.
Donyi says that he is encouraged by Kazakhstan’s decision and that of other post-Soviet Turkic republics to shift away from the Russian script Moscow imposed on them in the 1920s and 1930s and by the fact that many Slavic peoples, including the Poles, the Slovenes, the Slovaks, and the Czechs use the Latin script.
The benefits to Ukraine of such a shift are obvious: it would mark a final break with the Moscow-centered state to the east and put Ukraine on a trajectory more like Poland and the Czech Republic. But there are real costs beyond those imposed on the state by such a shift – and they will have to be considered before any such step is made.
On the one hand, it is virtually certain that ethnic Russians in Ukraine would insist on retaining the Cyrillic script of their nation, something that would exacerbate the tensions between the two peoples by underscoring the civilizational divide between them and possibly create conditions for even more Moscow-orchestrated Russian separatism in Ukraine.
And on the other, every time a country changes alphabets, it not only tends to cut off its population from the past when a different script was used but leads to a decline in reading of the media and literature because many people familiar with the older script find it uncomfortable to say no more to use the new one.
Over time, these difficulties can be overcome; but in the short term, they may be prohibitively large. At the very least, however, talking about shifting away from a Russian alphabet that the Russian empire in its various guises imposed on Ukraine is a useful next step in Ukraine’s turn away from Eurasia toward Europe.
http://windowoneurasia2.blogspot.fr/2016/03/ukraine-should-shift-from-cyrillic-to.html
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Calendrier Julien ou Grégorien ?
Svoboda Dim 27 Mar - 11:54
On devrait également penser à harmoniser les calendriers religieux .
Aujourd'hui , le 27 mars 2016 , c'est la fête de Pâques pour ceux qui utilisent le calendrier Grégorien .
Le 1è mai 2016, c'est la fête de Pâques chez les Orthodoxes, les Gréco-catholiques ...car ils utilisent toujours le calendrier Julien .
Le 1è mai , c'est également la fête du travail .
Nous vivons en 2016 S.V.P ...
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Aujourd'hui , le 27 mars 2016 , c'est la fête de Pâques pour ceux qui utilisent le calendrier Grégorien .
Le 1è mai 2016, c'est la fête de Pâques chez les Orthodoxes, les Gréco-catholiques ...car ils utilisent toujours le calendrier Julien .
Le 1è mai , c'est également la fête du travail .
Nous vivons en 2016 S.V.P ...
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Re: Alphabet cyrillique ou alphabet latin ?
richard Dim 27 Mar - 14:38
Bonjour
Je suis totalement contre une harmonisation svp laissez moi célébrer au moins deux fetes de Paques
Je suis totalement contre une harmonisation svp laissez moi célébrer au moins deux fetes de Paques
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