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Message  benoit77 Mer 14 Sep - 23:16

Pas étonnant , l' ultra corruption de toutes les strates de la Russie fait que toute la Russie est une catastrophe écologique en puissance.
Tous récemment une rivière est devenu rouge sang par pollution : http://www.ouest-france.fr/environnement/pollution/russie-une-riviere-se-colore-en-rouge-vif-une-enquete-est-ouverte-4461066

Pourquoi la Russie respecterait-elle la nature en Crimée alors qu'elle pisse et chie sur tout et partout dans son territoire ?

la Russie est un non sens écologique depuis longtemps : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mer_d%27Aral
et pour le futur aussi : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrale_nucl%C3%A9aire_de_Bilibino
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Message  Matt Jeu 15 Sep - 8:08

En gros, c'est ça . . .  Embarassed

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Message  benoit77 Ven 16 Sep - 15:56

Medvedev reconnait accidentellement que la Crimée n'est pas russe.

que la Crimée pour être russe, à besoin d'une fabrication artificielle pour la relier: le pont de kertch

http://news.liga.net/news/politics/12696122-ne_rossiyskiy_medvedev_udalil_v_twitter_zapis_o_statuse_kryma.htm

évidement cela a été retiré au plus vite d'internet car contraire à la propagande du kremlin voulant faire croire que la Crimée est géographiquement et historiquement Russe en dépit d'une réalité tout autre.
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Message  benoit77 Ven 16 Sep - 15:59

le danemark prévient que les élections Russe en Crimée ne seront pas reconnues car illégitime :
http://news.liga.net/news/politics/12696023-daniya_ne_priznaet_rossiyskie_vybory_v_krymu_glava_mid.htm
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Message  Matt Ven 16 Sep - 16:36

Il n'y a pas que le Danemark qui ne reconnaît pas ces élections, loin de là même.  Wink

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Message  benoit77 Dim 18 Sep - 20:44

l'euphorie est passée, la réalité revient:

http://apostrophe.ua/article/politics/2016-09-18/v-komande-putina-nachinaetsya-isterika-on-gotov-vesti-peregovoryi-po-kryimu/7304
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Message  Matt Dim 18 Sep - 21:24

Je répète un post sur twitter l'hiver passé:
En Crimée, il y a ceux qui avertissent "je vous l'avais dis".
Et ceux qui ne disent plus rien.

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Message  Matt Dim 18 Sep - 22:21

Manque pas d'air:

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X Soviet Retweeted Дмитрий Смирнов
Poklonskaya on demands for sanctions for elections in Crimea: Comrade Poroshenko needs a psychiatrist, can't cope.
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Message  Krispoluk Dim 18 Sep - 22:29

Article très intéressant même s'il ne reflète que l'opinion d'un seul homme politique russe (la partie émergée de l'iceberg ?) ...

Il est vrai que l'affirmation répétitive de Poutine en différents endroits que "La Crimée n'est pas négociable" résonne étrangement !!!
Pourquoi le dire maintenant alors que la situation paraît totalement figée ???

Attendre l'élection américaine pour engager des négociations ? Qui sera élu ? Compter sur Trump pour s'en sortir de manière "honorable" ? Pas facile d'y voir clair !

L'article ouvre des perspectives qui paraissent très, très optimistes, je trouve... Mais après tout, ce n'est pas la première fois dans l'histoire qu'on verrait un retournement de situation aussi inattendu ! Se souvenir des accords Mandela/ De Klerk et de Sharon/ Arafat. Alors pourquoi pas Poutine/ Poroshenko ?

En tout cas, ce qui ne sera sans doute jamais négociable pour les russes, ce sera le maintien de leurs bases militaires et maritimes en Crimée. C'est bien trop important géo-stratégiquement pour eux !

Mais on a sacrément envie d'en rêver ! Ah ! Revoir Balaklava et se faire un tour en voilier au large de Sevastopol, quel doux rêve...
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Message  benoit77 Dim 18 Sep - 23:27

Matt a écrit:
Poklonskaya

Quand elle sera en prison , je veux bien être son maton pig affraid

devinez de quelle matraque elle va gouter !!
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Message  Matt Dim 18 Sep - 23:33

Ben je dirais que tu devrais arrêter de rêver, (Kris) surtout après la déclaration de Poklonskaya qui est tout, sauf diplomatique.
Je pense que malheureusement on doit être bien d'accord là dessus.  Twisted Evil

Bon, maintenant, tu n'es pas le seul à vouloir retrouver les joies de la Crimée. 
(Mais sans invasion de touristes comme ailleurs, cfr Espagne ou Italie).  Wink

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Message  Matt Dim 18 Sep - 23:35

benoit77 a écrit:
Matt a écrit:
Poklonskaya

Quand elle sera en prison , je veux bien être son maton pig affraid

devinez de quelle matraque elle va gouter !!
Devine! Quoique je sais!  Laughing

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Message  benoit77 Dim 18 Sep - 23:44

En fait je suis gentleman , je lui servirai un thé tous les jours....


... au polonium bien sur Wink

ça réchauffe tellement plus que le thé classique Twisted Evil
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Message  Krispoluk Lun 19 Sep - 0:20

Matt a écrit:Ben je dirais que tu devrais arrêter de rêver, (Kris) surtout après la déclaration de Poklonskaya qui est tout, sauf diplomatique.
Je pense que malheureusement on doit être bien d'accord là dessus.  Twisted Evil

Les chiens (les chiennes) aboient et la caravane passe...

Je pense que vous connaissez tous assez la politique pour savoir que n'importe quel leader a toujours besoin d'un plus extrémiste ou plus "gueulard" que lui pour paraître très modéré à côté... C'est le B-A ba du boulot en quelque sorte !
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Message  Александр Jeu 22 Sep - 10:30

Poroshenko: Russia Has Made Crimea 'Concentration Camp'

KYIV -- Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has accused Russia of transforming Crimea in to a "concentration camp" and urged Western states to impose new sanctions on Moscow.

Speaking at the annual Yalta European Strategy (YES) forum in Kyiv, Poroshenko said Russia had pursued a "repressive policy" against Ukrainian citizens in Crimea, including Crimean Tatars, since it seized control of the peninsula in March 2014.

He said the United States, European Union, and others should maintain existing sanctions on Russia over its interference in Ukraine and impose new sanctions targeting specific industries.

"It is necessary to introduce new sectoral sanctions, we won't achieve anything without sanctions," Poroshenko said.

Poroshenko has long sought lethal weapons for the conflict with Russia-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine, but he said "unity and solidarity" are more important than Western arms.

He suggested implementation of the Minsk peace accord hinges on Russia, saying, "Not a single step forward will be taken until Russia withdraws its troops to a safe distance and carries out measures in the sphere of security."

Addressing reforms, Poroshenko promised 200 new judges would be appointed, calling Ukraine's judiciary "the last bastion of corruption."
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Message  Александр Ven 30 Sep - 10:16

Suite au dernier jugement russe:

President: Prohibition of Mejlis in Crimea is continuation of Stalin’s policy

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President Petro Poroshenko called the decision of the Supreme Court of Russia to ban the Crimean Tatar Mejlis xenophobic.

“Today, on the day of commemoration of victims of the Babyn Yar tragedy, the Supreme Court of Russia adopted xenophobic decision to ban the Mejlis. The policy of Stalin is alive,” Petro Poroshenko said during the mourning ceremony of commemorating the victims of the Babyn Yar tragedy.

The Head of State noted that only the death of Stalin had saved Jews of the USSR from deportation similar to that experienced by the Crimean Tatars and other ethnic groups.

The President emphasized that the Soviet authorities had been suppressing the tragedy of the Babyn Yar for many years and then tried to dissolve its Jewish component in the overall martyrology of the World War II. “Isn’t it because Stalin in the depths of his black soul supported the so-called final resolution of the Jewish issue? Immediately after the victory over Nazism the guillotine of repression was launched again. The Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee, the so-called “rootless cosmopolitans” and “doctors-saboteurs” were its first victims,” he said.

At the same time, the President emphasized that successors of the chief had preserved antisemitism as part of public policy. But instead of policy of physical liquidation they resorted to the destruction of the Jewish identity as such. At the same time, for decades Moscow has been supplying weapons to those who want to overthrow Israel into the sea.

“Thus, the Babyn Yar tragedy is a warning for the entire mankind that any regime that neglects human rights and freedoms poses a threat to humanity itself. Our moral obligation is to prevent the repeat of crimes against humanity and humaneness,” the Head of State noted.

According to him, such prospect seems unrealistic at first glance.

“But if leaders of some countries base their policy on struggle for the so-called historic truth, which Hitler himself used as justification for his crimes… If international law is again trampled by the boot of the aggressor… If the current UN sometimes resembles the League of Nations… If the annexation of Crimea is directly translated into German by Russian propaganda as Anschluss… If so, then where is the guarantee that we are immune from repeating other tragic pages of the recent past?” the President noted.

This is particularly important given the surge of religious, racial or national intolerance and antisemitism recurrence even in those countries where those shameful phenomena have been seemingly long ago and irrevocably eradicated. Ubiquitous growing popularity of far-right xenophobic political forces also raised concern, as stated by the President.
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Message  Александр Lun 3 Oct - 10:00

Ukraine names specific units of Russian army who seized Crimea in 2014

The Military Prosecutor's Office of Ukraine for the first time named the exact units of the Russian Armed Forces that took part in seizing Crimea and told about the training of the so-called Russian “little green men”, according to Hromadske Radio.

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"The investigation established and found enough evidence for me to claim with confidence what units [of the Russian army] there were, " Military Prosecutor Ruslan Kravchenko told Hromadske Radio."

In particular, it was the 31st Separate Air Assault Brigade of the Russian Airborne Troops, 45th Detached Special Forces Regiment of the Russian Airborne Troops (military unit 28 337), 18th Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade, 58th Army of the Southern Military District of the armed forces of the Russian Federation, the 98th Airborne Division of the Russian Airborne Troops (military unit 65 451), 76th Air Assault Division of the Russian Airborne Troops, 15th Separate Motor Rifle Brigade of Russia’s peacekeeping forces (military unit 90 600).

" Also, the prosecutor noted that in the process of preparation and conduct of aggressive warfare, all tactical signs and insignia had been removed in advance from military equipment and uniform of the Russian soldiers who participated in the annexation of Crimea.


Une autre source:

Russian military units annexing Crimea revealed
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Message  Александр Mer 5 Oct - 10:20

La réalité russe en Crimée occupée:

Halya Coynash: Ukrainian savagely beaten in Russian-occupied Crimea punished, not his attacker

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A picture taken on September 12, 2016 in the main Crimean city of Simferopol shows an elderly woman walking next to an election campaign poster for the United Russia party with the phrase "Russia is ours". (AFP)

No criminal proceedings were brought against the man who brutally attacked Ihor Movenko over Ukrainian symbols and an ‘Azov Battalion’ sticker on his bike.  The fact that only Movenko was punished after a totally unprovoked attack seems further confirmation that the assailant was a police officer – and of a terrifying level of impunity for attacks on Ukrainians.

Plus de détails:

Ukrainian savagely beaten in Russian-occupied Crimea punished, not his attacker

No criminal proceedings were brought against the man who brutally attacked Ihor Movenko over Ukrainian symbols and an ‘Azov Battalion’ sticker on his bike.  The fact that only Movenko was punished after a totally unprovoked attack seems further confirmation that the assailant was a police officer – and of a terrifying level of impunity for attacks on Ukrainians.

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As reported, at around midday on Sept 7, 39-year-old Movenko was set upon by one individual after he stopped to get money out of a cash machine and then returned to his bike.  The man who attacked Movenko claimed to be from the police, though he did not show any ID. 

It was only Movenko who sustained injuries and they were serious.  He was hospitalized, the Crimean Human Rights Group reports, with the doctors finding an open head injury, concussion, a skull fracture, a broken jaw, broken nose, eye injury and more.  He now needs a nose operation, and doctors have also advised him to get treatment from both a neurologist and a dentist.

It was quite evident that he had been attacked, yet it was Movenko who had his hands bound after the police appeared.  Judging by the surreal video here, it certainly seems that the police were on good terms with the assailant.  The officers even tried to stop Valentina Movenko, who had come as soon as somebody phoned her, from giving her husband some water as he lay on the ground, handcuffed and in obvious need of medical treatment. 

It became clear at the time that Movenko was to be charged with ‘extremism’ over the Azov sticker, but it was asserted that criminal proceedings would be initiated over the assault. 

The de facto authorities in occupied Crimea were swift to take Movenko to court.  He was fined 2 thousand roubles over the ‘Azov’ Battalion sticker which is now on Russia’s huge list of banned organizations.  Many Azov members have far-right views, however there is no reason for the ban at all, let alone a court hearing and fine for carrying a sticker.  Except that Crimea is currently under Russian occupation, and even symbols of an organization which is prohibited can incur administrative penalties.  Since de facto courts have been willing to sentence Ukrainians to 40 hours community work or a fine over Ukrainian flags, there are no grounds at all for expecting the fine over an Azov sticker to be overturned.

The fact that no criminal proceedings at all were initiated over a vicious attack which caused serious injury is seriously frightening.  
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Message  Александр Jeu 6 Oct - 10:33

Maritime sanctions for Crimea made huge gap in Russian trading fleet – analyst

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Due to dramatic decrease of public and freight sea transportation to occupied Crimea the Kremlin have to fill the gap in with up to 200 vessels
       

Although Kremlin keeps saying that foreign naval vessels ignore the sanctions and sail to Crimea, the majority of vessels that carry passengers and cargo to or from the ports of occupied peninsula are Russian, the monitoring group of the Maidan of Foreign Affairs and BSNews report states.

According to the monitors' "black list", or rather, the complete database of vessels that violated the Ukrainian legislation and the international sanctions and docked at the ports of the occupied Crimea since its annexation, the number of foreign ships sailing to peninsula decreased dramatically and Kremlin had to replace them with their own civil fleet. In 2014 the total number of sanction violators counted 146 vessels, of which 45% were Russian. In 2015, Russian partly increased to 63% and for the 8 months of this year it already rose to 71%.

There is a massive process of replacement with vessels sailing to the ports of the occupied Crimea with Russian steamers, either under the Russian flag or having Russian ship-owner, Chief Editor BSNews and Maidan of Foreign Affairs' Andryi Klymenko says. It is a very big problem for the Kremlin, because Russian river-sea fleet appeared to have shortage of 200 vessels to provide transportation for the occupied territory, analyst say.

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To cover this shortage Russia had to lease and then buy more than 10 modern ferries from Greek ship-owners. It turned out to be a pretty big sum for Russia, suffering from sanctions, the Chief Editor stressed.

The complete study of the Maidan of Foreign Affairs titled "The Effectiveness of the International Maritime Sanctions Against Russia Over the Occupation of Crimea" will be presented in Kyiv on Friday, October 7, 2016 in partnership with the Ukraine Today. The presentation will be held at 11.00 a.m. at the Maidan of Foreign Affairs office, 22a Mykhailivska St, Suite 81 (5th floor).

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Message  Matt Sam 8 Oct - 16:06

J'hésite entre "propagande" et ici pour poster ça:


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Friday fun: The BBC informs that the Crimean peninsula, illegally annexed by the Russian Federation, is moving towards the Russian mainland, at the speed of rate of 2.9mm per year. Alexander Ipatov, who heads the Institute of Applied Astronomy at the Russian Academy of Sciences, said: "When Crimea joined Russia we tried to answer to a question as to where Crimea is moving. And we determined that it is moving towards Russia." The scientists also calculated that, at the current rate, the peninsula will reach the Russian mainland in 1.5 million years. (Image: BBC)

Punaise, quelle imagination . . .  Twisted Evil

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Message  Александр Lun 10 Oct - 12:49

Belle promesse . . . pour dans longtemps:

Russia says fresh water deficit in Crimea may be reduced by 2019

Et encore, juste réduit le déficit . . . Embarassed  pas annulé.
Pauvres criméens.

Russia has declared that a stable system to ensure water supply to occupied Crimea will be arranged by 2019, said Minister of Natural Resources and Ecology of Russia Sergey Donskoy, according to Russian news agency TASS.


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"The whole infrastructure will be prepared, water pipes will be laid, and we will have a more stable supply of water to all regions of Crimea in 2017-2019," Donskoy said.

According to him, it is primarily an issue in the eastern regions of the peninsula. "Plans for the laying of pipelines must be met so that we can flexibly allocate water resources to secure eastern Crimea at first, where the situation is critical. Efforts are required to a greater extent there," he stressed.



The minister also said that he intended to initiate inspections of the Crimea water consumers, who take water from main pipelines illegally, in a situation when the peninsula is experiencing acute water shortage.

Consumers must understand that "water is at a premium in Crimea now and it should be treated accordingly," he said.
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Moscow cracks down on embattled Crimea Tatar dissidents

Russian tactics echo old KGB practice of forced psychiatric confinement

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Ukrainian activists hold a portrait of Tatar opposition leader llmi Umerov during a rally in support of Crimeans jailed by Russia © EPA

Since it seized Crimea from Ukraine in 2014, sparking international condemnation, Russia has considered its rule of the peninsula a fait accompli — so much so that it attempted to have someone declared insane for questioning it.

For three weeks this summer Crimean Tatar opposition leader llmi Umerov was held in a mental hospital under orders from Russian security services. Conditions were so foul that he refused to use the bathroom for five days. He shared a ward with 100 other people and, rather than use the shower, washed with wet towels his relatives brought him. Doctors ultimately decided he had no mental problems and discharged him.

“The secret services organised massive torture against me,” Mr Umerov said last month at his home in Bakhchisaray, the home of Crimean Tatar khans until Catherine the Great conquered the peninsula for Russia in 1783.


“The most important thing in Russia is that people are loyal. They don’t want you to love them — they want you to shut up.”

The 59-year-old’s confinement in Crimea’s Psychiatric Hospital No. 1 hospital echoed the old KGB practice of enforced psychiatric confinement of Soviet dissidents. It is also a stark example of what Ukraine and its western allies say is a pattern of repression against the indigenous Crimean Tatar minority, which makes up just over a tenth of the peninsula’s population of more than 2m.

Deported to Central Asia in 1944 by Joseph Stalin, the Tatars were only allowed to return in 1989 when Mikhail Gorbachev’s government recognised their forced exile as a crime.


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llmi Umerov: 'The most important thing in Russia is that people are loyal. They don’t want you to love them – they want you to shut up' © AFP

The sleepy town of Bakhchisaray remains the minority’s unofficial capital even though Russians now outnumber them there. Nestled in the foothills along Crimea’s main highway, today it attracts mostly Russian tourists who come to see the khans’ Ottoman-style palace. It is also home to the Mejlis, the Tatars’ semi-official governing body, which vocally opposed the annexation by Russia, which Crimea’s Russian majority largely welcomed.
Since then, the Mejlis has been banned, several Crimean Tatars have faced criminal prosecutions and there have been many forced disappearances. Human Rights Watch blames Russia for a “pervasive atmosphere of fear and repression” against Crimean Tatars and others who oppose Moscow’s rule.
Since his discharge from hospital, Mr Umerov has not been allowed to leave Bakhchisaray. If he is found guilty of sedition under a new law used to prosecute several Crimean Tatar dissidents, he faces up to three years in prison for comments he made on a Crimean Tatar TV channel about US and EU sanctions on Russia.



Mr Umerov says the accusations are based on a mistranslation. He says he simply repeated western leaders’ statement that the sanctions will be lifted in full only when Russia ends the military conflict in eastern Ukraine and withdraws from Crimea.





A transcript provided by the FSB, the KGB’s successor agency, however, claims Mr Umerov said: “It’s important to make Russia leave Crimean … if it was only possible to restore Ukraine’s former borders.” Prosecutors say that Mr Umerov was “using the internet to call for actions that would violate the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation”.



Other Tatar leaders have been targeted as well. The Mejlis’s leader, Refat Chubarov, and its longtime figurehead, Mustafa Dzhemilev, a well-known former Soviet dissident, have been denied entry to Crimea. Several other Crimean Tatars have been arrested or murdered. In response, Crimean Tatar leaders successfully pushed for Ukraine to instigate a trade embargo against the peninsula last year.

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In an effort to show it is sensitive to the plight of the Crimean Tatars, Moscow appointed Zaur Smirnov, a former deputy head of the Mejlis, as an official race relations ombudsman. Unlike his former colleagues, Mr Smirnov welcomed the annexation and applauded the Russian supreme court’s decision last week to uphold its bans on the Mejlis.

“Crimean Tatars will no longer be associated with a criminal organisation that single-handedly took for itself the right to speak on behalf of the whole people,” he said.

Mr Umerov counters most Crimean Tatars support him. He points to what he says was a boycott of Russian parliamentary elections last month — even though Mr Smirnov says 80 per cent of the Crimean Tatars took part in the vote.
Despite all his problems, Mr Umerov, who also suffers from Parkinson’s disease, diabetes and heart problems, takes the long view.

Like most older Crimean Tatars, he was born in Central Asia and did not visit his ancestral homeland until he was an adult. The current state of affairs, Mr Umerov says, is just temporary. “Yesterday they were Ukrainian, today they’re Russian, and tomorrow they’ll be someone else,” he says of his fellow Tatars. “But we didn’t come back here [to Crimea] to leave again.”
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Message  Александр Mar 11 Oct - 11:02

Crimée: une réponse tranchante d’un sénateur russe à un diplomate US

La question de la Crimée est «close une fois pour toutes», a indiqué le président russe Vladimir Poutine, mais l’Occident persiste dans sa négation de la réalité.Le sénateur russe Alexeï Pouchkov a répondu à l'ancien ambassadeur américain en Russie Michael McFaul, proposant de restituer la Crimée à l'Ukraine, par la proposition d'oublier la question criméenne et de cesser de protéger les terroristes.

Telle a été la réaction de M. Pouckov à la question de M. McFaul postée sur Twitter : « Est-ce qu'il ne serait pas magnifique si, comme l'a dit M. Trump, la Russie rendait la Crimée, cessait de bombarder Alep et abandonnait ses cyberattaques contre les États-Unis ? ». « Oubliez la Crimée. Est-ce qu'il ne serait pas magnifique si les États-Unis renonçaient à renverser les pouvoirs politiques en place, cessaient de protéger le Front al-Nosra et abandonnaient leur politique de sanctions et de menaces à l'égard de la Russie ? », a écrit le sénateur sur Twitter. La Crimée et Sébastopol ont été rattachés à la Russie à la suite d'un référendum tenu en mars 2014. 96,77 % des Criméens et 95,6 % des habitants de la ville de Sébastopol (ville criméenne avec un statut particulier) ont voté pour le rattachement à la Russie. La péninsule avait été « offerte » à l'Ukraine par Nikita Khrouchtchev en 1954. Aujourd'hui, l'Ukraine continue de considérer ce territoire comme le sien. La majorité des pays occidentaux soutiennent la position de Kiev et ont introduit des sanctions antirusses en 2014. Selon le président russe Vladimir Poutine, la question de la Crimée est « close une fois pour toutes ».



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Message  benoit77 Mar 11 Oct - 11:24

Александр a écrit:Crimée: une réponse tranchante d’un sénateur russe à un diplomate US

La question de la Crimée est «close une fois pour toutes», a indiqué le président russe Vladimir Poutine, mais l’Occident persiste dans sa négation de la réalité.Le sénateur russe Alexeï Pouchkov a répondu à l'ancien ambassadeur américain en Russie Michael McFaul, proposant de restituer la Crimée à l'Ukraine, par la proposition d'oublier la question criméenne et de cesser de protéger les terroristes.

Telle a été la réaction de M. Pouckov à la question de M. McFaul postée sur Twitter : « Est-ce qu'il ne serait pas magnifique si, comme l'a dit M. Trump, la Russie rendait la Crimée, cessait de bombarder Alep et abandonnait ses cyberattaques contre les États-Unis ? ». « Oubliez la Crimée. Est-ce qu'il ne serait pas magnifique si les États-Unis renonçaient à renverser les pouvoirs politiques en place, cessaient de protéger le Front al-Nosra et abandonnaient leur politique de sanctions et de menaces à l'égard de la Russie ? », a écrit le sénateur sur Twitter. La Crimée et Sébastopol ont été rattachés à la Russie à la suite d'un référendum tenu en mars 2014. 96,77 % des Criméens et 95,6 % des habitants de la ville de Sébastopol (ville criméenne avec un statut particulier) ont voté pour le rattachement à la Russie. La péninsule avait été « offerte » à l'Ukraine par Nikita Khrouchtchev en 1954. Aujourd'hui, l'Ukraine continue de considérer ce territoire comme le sien. La majorité des pays occidentaux soutiennent la position de Kiev et ont introduit des sanctions antirusses en 2014. Selon le président russe Vladimir Poutine, la question de la Crimée est « close une fois pour toutes ».



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C'est avec ce genre de conneries qu’on fait la propagande russe: "96,77 % des Criméens et 95,6 % des habitants de la ville de Sébastopol"

C'EST FAUX : c'est les "pourcentages" des votants y compris les votes bidonnés c'est absolument pas représentatif des criméens
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Message  Александр Mar 11 Oct - 11:58

Tout le monde sait bien qu'il n'y a eu que 15% pour le rattachement.
Il n'y a que les russes pour croire le contraire. Twisted Evil
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