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Message  pyxous le Mer 20 Jan - 23:37

benoit77 a écrit:
pyxous a écrit:
«Si Kiev n’avait pas pillé et détruit la péninsule pendant des années, on n’en serait pas là. C’est l’Ukraine qui a poussé la Crimée dans les bras de la Russie»

Entièrement d'accord !
"C’est l’Ukraine qui a poussé la Crimée dans les bras de la Russie. "

c'est pas un peu exagéré !?
si c'était le cas, alors pourquoi faire venir les petit hommes verts russe pour forcer le vote sur l'autonomie et le rattachement à la Russie??


benoit, je pense que tu ne connais pas bien l'état d'esprit des criméens et la situation sur place qu'il y avait avant la révolution de Maidan avant le 20 novembre 2013;

Sur place, toutes les news venaient de russie et les habitants ne voyaient que par leur gourou le botoxé; pas de TV ukrainienne et tout le monde était branché sur moscow; à cela la nostalgie de l'état communiste ou la vie était moins chère, les médocs et soins gratuits et patati et patata ... (un peu comme chez nous, la vie avant était mieux .. etc)
depuis 1991 tout ce qui arrivait était la faute de kiev, sans compter les truands mafieux (il y a en a encore un paquet) qui gouvernaient l'ukraine à l'époque ...
une haine viscérale envers les américains (entretenue par les médias) était le sujet principal des criméens; le jour ou Maidan s'est enflammé, il était facile pour les pro-russes sur place qui étaient en cheville avec moscow de montrer du doigt les "nazis de kiev payés par les ricains" comme un coup d'état. Chaque jour de cette révolution, la TV russe en direct vomissait sur la population de maidan ...
après les meurtres de février et le départ du truand en place, la faute du gouvernement provisoire a été de clamer que la langue russe serait interdite sur le territoire (grosse connerie) il en fallait pas plus pour ressurgir le nationnalisme russe chez tous les habitants de crimée;
les jours précédents ce vote, à la TV russe, les journalistes disaient que les nazis de kiev allaient venir violer les filles et piller les maisons ... sick ! et qu'en étant russe, les retraites allaient étre multipliées par trois et que la vie serait belle et que la crimée serait un nouveau paradis!
 le vote sur l'autonomie et le rattachement à la russie n'a été qu'une formalité, même si les chiffres ont été bidonnés;

les petits hommes verts et les chars n'ont rien forcé du tout ils ne sont venus que pour dire au monde entier (surtout les ricains) ne bouger pas sinon je fais un malheur !
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Message  Александр le Jeu 21 Jan - 10:32

Bref, résultat de la propagande toute poutinienne!!

Russia prepares for a Crimean blockade at sea


The black sea washes over the beaches of Sevastopol 

The Ukrainian law banning almost all trade with Russian-occupied Crimea is now in force. Activists began taking down their Crimean blockade checkpoints in December, and according to the Crimean Tatar leader Lenur Islyamov they have largely achieved their goal: “The government has finally heard us, and the directive it has adopted, one-legged and vague though it is, is generally consistent with the spirit in which we’d like to see it, and therefore we are removing all checkpoints.” In a recent interview he said that activists would continue to work as observers on Ukrainian government checkpoints (presumably to police smuggling enabled by bribery.)

The Crimean Tatar activists have been speaking about conducting a maritime blockade for some time now. This would be very difficult, as the Russians have naval superiority in the Black Sea. Furthermore, the most crucial checkpoint for the Crimean peninsula is the Kerch Strait, which separates Crimea from Russia. This area will probably be closely watched and heavily fortified by the Russians, making any attempts to cut power cables or interfere with ferry traffic etc. very difficult if not impossible. However, a more limited operation only off the west coast of Ukraine may cause a great deal of trouble for Crimea’s Russian occupiers and some corrupt Ukrainian collaborators. According to a recent statement by Lenur Islyamov  there is some smuggling to Crimea run out of Odesa. Some boats leaving Odesa either transfer cargo at sea to a ship coming out of Crimea, or turn off their transponders, sprint to Sevastopol and unload their cargoes, and then continue on their way as if nothing happened. Maritime monitoring and interdiction of such activity in the waters off the west coast of Crimea would interfere with this kind of trafficking.

The Russians may already be preparing to block any activist activity at sea. First, there is the propaganda preparation. Russian propaganda has already called this potential blockade “terrorism” and they are sliding it into their larger false narrative of the Crimean Tatars as proxies of ISIS/Turkey. For example, see this Sputnik headline: (Turkish President) “Erdogan Meets With Crimean Blockade Organizers: Naval Provocation Imminent?” Russian propagandists are particularly sensitive about the Kerch Strait. Russian commentator Ivan Konovalov said that any reaction to a Crimea blockade would be harsh, stating in Sputnik news: “if an action is carried out [in the Kerch Strait] bearing the signs of a terrorist attack, it will affect Russia’s relations with Ukraine…If some deranged lunatics want to provoke a conflict between Russia and Ukraine, it will be in Kyiv’s interest not to allow this to happen. If Islyamov’s declarations should scare anyone, it is Kyiv.”

As well as media preparations for countering a Crimea blockade, Russia may also be preparing for trouble in the physical world. Very shortly after the interview where Islyamov mentioned possibly interdicting illegal traffic from other Ukrainian ports bound for Sevastopol, the Russian governmentannounced that new FSB “counter-terrorism headquarters” in selected coastal towns to fight terrorism in “the territorial sea, the (maritime) exclusive economic zone, and on the continental shelf of the Russian Federation.” One of these five new headquarters is located in occupied Crimea.
The other parts of the country where Russia will establish maritime anti-terror units are Dagestan which does have a problem with terrorism, Murmansk (in Russia’s far northwest, near Norway) Sakhalin, and Petropavlovsk (in Russia’s far east.) Of all these locations, only Dagestan can reasonably be said to have an actual terrorist threat (and not a maritime one at that.)
The Russians may have moved quickly to put naval “anti-terror” forces in Crimea to ward off any activist blockade. A little over a week after the announcement of the new FSB “counter-terrorism headquarters” in Crimea a few sharp-eyed observers [url=http://www.hisutton.com/New Russian SOF base in Crimea.html]noticed a new Russian naval special forces base in Crimea. [/url] The arrival of a BK-16 high-speed patrol boat was what caught the attention of folks watching social media. The commentator H I Sutton noted that the small base has been in use since at least May 2014, and his article has commercial satellite imagery with what are probably rigid inflatable boats. The BK-16 may be a recent addition.

An FSB “anti-terrorism” operation around Crimea would be a way for Russia to combat any Crimean blockade without using its navy and therefore keeping the whole thing as a “counter terrorism” operation short of war. Of course, this would continue to be wrapped up in the larger Russian narrative of Crimean Tatar activists as terrorists. The volume and the vociferousness with which Russian propaganda is warning about consequences and the very public manner that a “Maritime counter-terrorism headquarters” was established may be a hint that the Russians are trying to scare off the Ukrainian government from permitting this activity. Alternatively, an ongoing “counter-terrorism” operation by the Russians in the Black Sea could be expanded to interfere with legitimate traffic in and out of Ukraine.

L'Ukraine entend récupérer la Crimée

L'Ukraine va lancer prochainement une nouvelle offensive diplomatique pour tenter de récupérer la Crimée, annexée en mars 2014 par la Russie, a annoncé ce mercredi la ministre des Finances ukrainienne. "Nous refusons de perdre la Crimée. Cette année, nous allons vraiment commencer à faire pression pour la récupérer", a déclaré Natalia Iaresko en marge du Forum économique mondial qui s'est ouvert à Davos.

L'annexion de la péninsule a valu à Moscou des mesures de rétorsion américaines et européennes qui sont toujours en vigueur. Plus récemment, l'Ukraine a cessé de fournir de l'électricité à la Crimée et le président Petro Porochenko a promis qu'elle n'en recevrait plus jusqu'à sa restitution.

Selon la ministre des Affaires étrangères, Kiev va demander la tenue d'une conférence inspirée du processus entamé en 2014 à Genève. Russie et Ukraine s'étaient alors retrouvées en présence de médiateurs américains et européens. Moscou a exclu la tenue d'une nouvelle conférence dans ce cadre. "Nous cherchons à lancer quelque chose de plus large que le format de Genève pour entamer le dialogue sur la restitution de la Crimée à l'Ukraine", a ajouté Natalia Iaresko.



Et:

Occupational authorities of #Crimea arrested in absentia leader of Crimean Tatars Mustafa Dzhemilev 

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Message  pyxous le Mer 27 Jan - 16:30

Le député Les Républicains mène une délégation controversée de parlementaires en Russie et en Crimée. Et l'explication serait sentimentale.





Thierry Mariani, le député Les Républicains (ex-UMP) prend fait et cause pour la Russie. L'explication ? Sa femme.

"La vraie raison" ? Sentimentale


L'ex-ministre des transports de Nicolas Sarkozy, ce dur de la droite française, vient encore, au grand dam du gouvernement français et de Kiev de rendre service au Kremlin en emmenant un groupe de dix députés, de droite comme de gauche, en Crimée, la péninsule ukrainienne illégalement annexée par la Russie en 2014.

Pourquoi ? Par conviction politique ? A en croire un article de novembre 2014 du très sérieux journal d'affaires russe "Vedomosti", le député des Français de l'étranger aurait des intérêts dans un puissant fonds d'investissements en Russie.
Une affirmation fermement démentie par Thierry Mariani qui jure que son nom a été utilisé à son insu dans cette affaire. Assurant que "le scandale va éclater quand on connaîtra la vraie raison" du soutien du député français à la Russie, un blogueur du site russe Livejournal suggère, avec humour, une autre piste, ni politique, ni économique mais sentimentale.

"Qu'est-ce que les Français sont allés foutre en Crimée ?"


Ce journal électronique russe note que Thierry Mariani "a été frappé d'amour en 2005 pour la Russie. Enfin pas pour toute la Russie mais pour une femme russe, Irina, de son nom de famille Chaikhoullina qu'il a épousée".
Sous le titre "la femme russe du député français ou qu'est-ce que les Français sont allés foutre en Crimée", Livejournal note "qu'on sait peu de choses sur elle, à part qu'elle est d'Ekaterinbourg et qu'elle a un fils prénommé Timour".

Mariée depuis 2005 avec Thierry Mariani , Irina Chaikhoullina s'est vue attribuer la nationalité française en 2011, après six ans d'union.
Irina Mariana a par ailleurs joué le rôle de présentatrice pour la chaîne internet "Nicolas Sarkozy TV", lors de la campagne électorale du président des Républicains en 2007.


En conclusion, le blogueur de LiveJournal fait des "révélations" et éclater "le vrai scandale" : "Thierry a promis à ses collègues qu'en Crimée il y aurait des filles dont la beauté ne cède en rien à celle de sa femme russe. Vous parlez de 'reconnaissance mondiale', de 'Notre Crimée' quand il s'agit d'une poignée de croulants français qui vont faire la tournée des filles."

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Message  Александр le Mer 27 Jan - 16:33

Du grand n'importe quoi . . . Embarassed
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Message  benoit77 le Mer 27 Jan - 16:48

pyxous a écrit:
il s'agit d'une poignée de croulants français qui vont faire la tournée des filles."

j'ai aucun doute que des accompagnatrices leur sont proposés.
Qu'ils acceptent est autre chose.

Mais l'article ne parle pas des autres goodies dont la valeur n'est pas en rapport avec les t-shirts "Poutine" mais plutôt avec des montres Rolex ou Patek Philippe !


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Message  Александр le Jeu 28 Jan - 9:59

Encore une chose (plus que) bizzare:

Visa system operates in Crimea as Russia finds ways to avoid US sanctions



The cards of the international payment system Visa are now operating in occupied Crimea. This news appeared on the site of Russia’s Genbank on 20 January 2016. It states that Visa cards will be accepted both for payment and cash withdrawal. However, the bank itself is under sanctions of U.S. Department of The Treasury and Visa together with MasterCard officially stopped working on the peninsula a year ago. How did this operation become possible?

Genbank is a Russian bank which started operating in 1993. On 1 March 2015, the bank’s assets amounted to over RUB 18 bn (USD 229.86 mn), own capital – RUB 1.95 bn (USD 24.9015 mn). At the end of 2014, Genbank‘s net profit was RUB 305 mn (USD 3.89 mn).

Now the bank describes itself out as “a base bank of the Crimean government (in August 2015, the executive authorities of the Republic of Crimea and the city of Federal significance Sevastopol became 50% of the shareholders of JSC Genbank) […] Today on the peninsula over 170 branches have been opened, the bank has more than 580 ATMs and 960 POS terminals.”

When the self-proclaimed government of Crimea received 50% of nominal capital of the bank, Sergey Aksyonov, the “prime-minister” of Crimea said that “authorities” of Crimea use equity participation in the nominal capital of Genbank for the development of new banking products, including loans for small businesses. The bank activities in occupied Crimea could not have been left unnoticed.

International payment systems Visa and MasterCard refused to operate with Russian banks in occupied Crimea already in December 2014. However, Russia found a way to work with the cards and avoid sanctions: by creating the inner National System of Payment Cards (NSPK). Banks should have transferred the traffic to NSPK by 31 March 2015.
MasterCard passed traffic in time, but Visa only on May 27. Formally, the traffic was handed over the cards of both systems, but, according to Russian media, only MasterCard worked in Crimea.

Visa was promised that problems with its operation would be resolved in the nearest feature. It’s noteworthy that MasterCard and Visa use different technologies of transmitting information, according to the Russian outlet Vedomosti referring to the words of an employee of a large bank. According to him, with MasterCard, it was easy, but to start operations through NSPK by Visa, sanctions banks had to “crack” Visa files and NSPK learned to do it only at the end of 2015. “Banks which are under sanctions are served under such scheme,” concluded the employee.

Such an approach is dangerous for banks through which an international payment system is connected. International payment systems can send a notification to a principal bank that its partner bank violates sanctions, and the former may stop or reduce cooperation.

Overall,  information about the operation of MasterCard on the peninsula is contradicting. In the end of May 2015, Russian media hurried up to inform that it works, but some sources wrote about complaints of people who did not manage to receive their money using the card.

At the end of December 2015, the USA released its new list of sanctions. As Genbank was in it, international payment systems Visa and MasterCard stopped working with the bank. In fact, it does not matter anymore if the system of NSPK really works. So that the happy message of “Genbank” on it’s site appeared because of solving technical problems with VISA and NSPK which they faced before the new sanction least appeared.

Visa started to work in Crimea only now because its traffic was not fully localized before. “When Genbank‘s transaction data was transmitted from Crimea to the NSPK, it did not pass because NSPK sent a part of the information to Visa and it blocked the operation,” a banker told to Vedomosti. Also, according to Kommersant journalists, the new list of sanctions even accelerated the process of finding new ways to work with Visa, as before the operations were conducted not fully bypassing Visa and the difficulties with cards of Russian banks could appear only abroad.

Now the message of Genbank states:
“1. In all trade and service enterprises connected through JSC Genbank Visa cards of all Russian issuing banks are accepted within the National System of payment cards;
2. In all cash machines of Genbank Visa cards of all Russian issuing banks under the National System of Payment Cards are accepted.”
The question which remains is: if the system of NSPK really works, how can sanctions against Russian banks be implemented in practice?
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Message  Александр le Jeu 28 Jan - 12:07

Semblerait que Visa ne fonctionne pas en Crimée:

Visa опровергла информацию о возобновлении работы в Крыму
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Message  Александр le Jeu 28 Jan - 13:14

Confirmation par Visa:

Visa опровергает информацию о возобновлении работы в Крыму
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Message  Thuramir le Jeu 28 Jan - 22:39

il est probablement possible de "bidouiller" le système bancaire en faisant croire que le retrait se fait sur le sol de la Russie, en dehors de la Crimée. C'est une question de logiciel bancaire des banques russes.
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Message  Александр le Ven 29 Jan - 8:56

N'étant pas spécialiste en la matière . . . Wink
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Message  Caduce62 le Lun 1 Fév - 22:10

Ukrainian Orthodox Church Kyiv Patriarchate in Crimea evicted from Cathedral!

Euromaidan Press  2016/02/01

At a recent press conference in Kyiv, Klyment, Archbishop of the Simferopol and Crimea Ukrainian Orthodox Church Kyiv Patriarchate announced that the Russian Arbitration Court in Crimea had ruled that premises belonging to the Crimean Diocese of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church Kyiv Patriarchate (KP) would be seized and confiscated.

The Archbishop explained that the ruling concerned the Cathedral of Saint Volodymyr and Olha in the centre of Simferopol.

“We’ve been asked to pay half a million rubles to the Ministry of Property and Land Relations, vacate the premises within ten days and prepare for the fact that the building will be confiscated because all communications, water, light, power and heat supplies are located on these 112 square metres.”
“The leadership of the Crimean Diocese of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church Kyiv Patriarchate will not leave the Church and will continue to stand up for its rights. We’ve been fighting for our Church with the Property Fund of Crimea for over 20 years and we’ll continue.”

He told Krym.Realii that the number of premises belonging to the UOC-KP in the Crimea has dropped from twenty to ten since the start of the occupation.

“Two premises were leased from the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine – in Sevastopol and Perevalny – others were leased from Ukrainian businessmen. The Church has kept some buildings in smaller towns, but there are no priests or religious services. Some towns have no congregation; the people have fled to the mainland.”

He added that activists of Crimean Ukrainian communities had left mainly because their children were not allowed to study in their native language. There are ten UOC-KP structures remaining in Crimea – nine have been rebuilt and renovated and one built from scratch.

“It’s a wooden church in Yevpatoria; we finished building it in May 2014.”

Archbishop Klyment reminded Krym.Realii that the Church in Yalta had been set on fire several times.

According to Andriy Shchekun, representative of the NGO Crimean Centre for Business and Cultural Cooperation, Ukrainian House, the Ukrainian government should show more political will so that the UOC-KP in Crimea could defend its rights. He believes that the transfer of the Ukrainian-owned cathedral to the Crimean diocese will help the Crimean priests defend their interests in international courts and on the peninsula.

Russian authorities and courts in Crimea have not commented on the situation.

After the annexation of Crimea in 2014, the Russian Property Fund informed the Archbishop that the lease for the Cathedral of Saint Volodymyr and Olha must be renewed. Even then, the Archbishop was approached by total strangers who offered him $200,000 US to leave the building.

Despite many statements and evidence of harassment on religious grounds presented by human rights organizations, Russian authorities deny everything and claim that believers of all religions faiths are treated equally in Crimea.
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Message  Thuramir le Jeu 4 Fév - 11:17

En 2014, on s'excuse pour une carte où la Crimée apparaît en Russie et en 2016, on retire une carte où la Crimée n'apparaît plus du tout : de l'art de faire de la politique sans prendre officiellement position...

Moscou - La Fifa a retiré des réseaux sociaux mercredi une carte de la Russie d'où était absente la Crimée, annexée par Moscou en 2014, afin d'éviter "tout malentendu".
"La carte (...) a été effacée dans le but d'éviter tout malentendu", a expliqué à l'AFP un porte-parole de la Fifa.
Le tweet de la Fifa montrait les villes hôtes de la Coupe des Confédérations 2017, à 500 jours du début de la compétition, sorte de répétition générale de la Coupe du monde 2018 en Russie.
Sur la carte, la Crimée, que l'Ukraine souhaite récupérer, n'apparaissait pas.
"Pas besoin de s'attarder là-dessus (...) Ce n'est pas important", a réagi le ministre russe des Sports Vitali Moutko, auprès de l'agence R-Sport.
En octobre 2014, la Fifa s'était excusée pour la diffusion d'une carte incluant la Crimée dans la Russie lors de la présentation de l'emblème officiel du Mondial-2018. L'utilisation de cette carte, alors que la communauté internationale ne reconnaît pas le rattachement de la Crimée, une région d'Ukraine, à la Russie, avait provoqué de nombreuses réactions, notamment à Kiev et à Moscou. (Par AFP , publié le 03/02/2016)
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Message  Александр le Jeu 4 Fév - 11:19

Bah, bêtement politique . . . Embarassed
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Message  орис le Sam 6 Fév - 18:38

http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/3625719-v-krymu-zametyly-kolonnu-btrov


Фото: кадр із відео
БТРы заметили на трассе Симферополь-Керчь

В колонне насчитывалось более 70 БТРов, пишут в соцсетях.

В Крыму заметили перемещение большой колонны военной техники. Машины следовали по трассе Симферополь-Керчь 5 февраля.
Соответствующие видео выложил в YouTube Alim Aydamak.
"Колонна насчитывала более 70-ти БТРов и 5 бензовозов. Российская военная техника ехала со стороны Старого Крыма в направлении Феодосии", - говорится в подписи под видео.

Некоторые пользователи отмечают, что речь идет примерно о 40 единицах бронетехники.
"Два БТРы, ехавшие в сторону Симферополя, собрали за собой огромный хвост...", - пишут в соцсетях.
Пользователи также предположили, что техника впоследствии могла быть погружена на корабли для отправки обратно в РФ.

 
 

Напомним, в конце ноября силовики сообщали о порядка 12 российских танков возле границ Крыма. 

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Message  Александр le Ven 12 Fév - 11:19

Russian FSB: Reason For Searches Of Crimean Tatar Houses Is “Participation In Terrorist Organizations”

Today, February 11, Russian FSB continues searching houses of Crimean Tatars in the occupied Crimea. 
            
This was stated by a lawyer from the occupied Crimea Emil Kurbedinov, ‘Radio Svoboda’ reports.

Overall, 8 houses were searched simultaneously.

“Three searches are taking place in Yalta, two – in Bakhchysarai, two – in Holmovka, the district of Bakhchysarai, and one – in Alushta. The eight searches were started simultaneously. All the people whose houses are being searched are Tatars, Muslims”, Mr. Kurbedinov said. He added that according to the statement of FSB in Sevastopol, members of these families are suspected of participation in some terrorist organization.

The organization and “possible participation in the terrorist formation” was called the reason for all the searches.

As the head of CEC of Kurultai of Crimean people stated, three persons have already been detained. One of them was brought to Sevastopol, two – most likely to Bakhchysarai.

“Every person who wears a beard, goes to mosque and professes Islam is a potential terrorist for them”, Mr. Smedlyayev emphasized.

Today, February 11, the searches in the homes of the Crimean Tatars in Alushta, Yalta and Bakhchysarai were held.

Comme en Syrie, ils cherchent des terroristes et pas des opposants . . .

Crimea’s military group is reinforced for holding exercise — Russian defense minister

The forces of the southern military district and units central federal district, airborne troops and air transport planes have been alerted and begun to perform their combat training tasks


NOVO-OGARYOVO, February 11. /TASS/. The presence of Russian troops in the Crimean peninsula has been stepped up in connection with a military exercise, Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu told President Vladimir Putin while reporting a surprise exercise in the southern military district.

"The group of troops, in particular, air forces and anti-aircraft defense in Crimea, has been reinforced for countering a massive air attack by a hypothetical enemy," Shoigu said.
The forces of the southern military district and units central federal district, airborne troops and air transport planes have been alerted and begun to perform their combat training tasks.

For the purpose of checking the systems and control of the southern and central military districts mobile control centers have been deployed in the field. For practicing the deployment of territorial defenses command centers have been created in the Rostov Region, Sevastopol and Simferopol, Shoigu said. The forces involved in the exercise were airlifted up to 3,000 kilometers and delivered to 18 proving grounds.


On va les croire . . .
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Message  Александр le Ven 19 Fév - 9:35

Klimkin Hopes Lavrov Will Respond To Crimean Issue During Next ‘Normandy Format’ Meeting

Russia ignores the issue of Crimea during the meetings in the “Normandy format”, but Ukraine will raise it again. 
            
Foreign Minister of Ukraine Pavlo Klimkin said this to reporters in the Ministry on Thursday, an Ukrinform correspondent reports.

“Of course, I raised the issue [about the start of negotiations on de-occupation of Crimea at the negotiations in the “Normandy format” on February 13]. Lavrov pretended he did not respond to it. I’m going to raise [this issue] at the next meeting in the full-fledged comprehensive ‘Normandy format’,” he said.

Klimkin added that he was going to meet with the foreign ministers of Germany and France next week.

“So far, we plan [to hold the meeting] in early March. It is most likely to be held in Paris if the French side will invite us,” he said.

As previously reported, the issue of the Crimea was raised in Normandy format for the first time on February 13.
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Message  benoit77 le Lun 22 Fév - 16:00

Les stratégies russes pour la reprise de la Crimée ont commencé immédiatement après l’effondrement de l'Urss:

http://news.liga.net/news/politics/9166930-k_zakhvatu_kryma_rf_nachala_gotovitsya_posle_raspada_sssr_gur.htm
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Message  benoit77 le Lun 22 Fév - 16:20

L'annexion de la Crimée en 3 phases :
http://news.liga.net/news/politics/9166945-kak_moskva_gotovilas_k_anneksii_kryma_dannye_razvedki.htm

L'armée Russe en état d'alerte maximale, prête à envahir toute la frontière d’Ukraine en cas de riposte de Kiev contre l'annexion.
http://news.liga.net/news/politics/9166916-pod_psevdoreferendum_v_krymu_putin_podnyal_aviatsiyu_i_tanki_gur.htm
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Message  Александр le Mar 23 Fév - 13:11

Pourquoi la candidate de l'Ukraine à l'Eurovision irrite déjà Moscou

"Choix étrange" pour certains, "politique pour d'autres, Jamala, cantatrice de formation devenue star du jazz en Ukraine, ne fait pas l'unanimité de l'autre côté de la frontière. En cause : son origine et la thématique de sa chanson.


Plusieurs responsables politiques, à Moscou et en Crimée, se sont élevés lundi contre la décision de l'Ukraine de faire concourir à l'Eurovision Jamala, une Tatare de Crimée, péninsule ukrainienne annexée par la Russie en mars 2014, y voyant un choix politique visant à dénigrer la Russie. "C'est un choix étrange. Je suis persuadé que ce vote vise une fois de plus à offenser la Russie", a déclaré à l'agence de presse russe Ria Novosti Vadim Denguine (LDPR, nationaliste), chef de la commission sur l'information politique à la Douma (chambre basse) russe.
 
Jamala, une cantatrice de formation devenue star du jazz en Ukraine, a été sélectionnée dimanche soir pour représenter son pays à l'Eurovision en mai prochain à Stockholm avec sa chanson "1944", consacrée à la tragédie vécue par son peuple, déporté par Staline. "C'est un choix politique", a lui aussi estimé, à l'antenne de la radio Echo de Moscou, Leonid Sloutski, chef de la commission parlementaire aux relations avec les ex-républiques soviétiques. Il a toutefois appelé à ne pas réagir de manière trop "dure".
 
Les Tatars s'étaient majoritairement opposés à l'annexion de la Crimée par la Russie
 
Les autorités prorusses de Crimée ont pour leur part accusé Kiev "d'instrumentaliser" la tragédie des Tatars de Crimée. "Les autorités ukrainiennes vont essayer d'utiliser la chanson" à des fins politiques, "capitalisant sur la tragédie des Tatars pour imposer au spectateur européen une fausse image du prétendu harcèlement des Tatars dans la Crimée russe", a déclaré à Ria Novosti un vice-Premier ministre prorusse de Crimée, Rouslan Balbek.
 
Inspirée par les souvenirs de son arrière-grande-mère, déportée avec ses cinq enfants de la péninsule en 1944 avec 240.000 autres Tatars, Jamala a elle-même écrit cette chanson, désignée pour représenter l'Ukraine à l'issue d'un vote du public et des juges. Les Tatars de Crimée, qui n'ont commencé à retourner dans la péninsule qu'après la chute de l'URSS en 1991, se sont majoritairement opposés à son annexion par la Russie en mars 2014.
 
Depuis celle-ci, des militants tatars ont été placés en détention ou ont vu leurs domiciles perquisitionnés, et des dirigeants de la communauté ont été interdits d'entrée sur ce territoire par les autorités russes.
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Message  Александр le Mer 24 Fév - 10:07

As Crimea was occupied, Western countries cautioned Ukraine against “drastic steps”


Russian troops disguised as unmarked armed forces roam the streets of Crimea. Image: molbuk.ua 

Today, the National Security and Defence Committee has declassified and published the minutes of the most important high-level meeting of Ukrainian leadership after the Maidan. Much of this information has been already discussed by analysts and the media; but some details are still curious to point out to understand the ensuing political debate in Ukraine and beyond.
On 28 February 2014, as Russia was occupying the Crimea with its troops, officials of the National Security and Defence Council of Ukraine (NSDC) had met in one of the rooms of Verkhovna Rada. As Oleksandr Turchynov, then a parliament speaker and acting president of post-Maidan Ukraine, himself pointed out,  the discussion was held in unprotected premises, so the participants would probably be unlikely to cite too sensitive details.
Related: Chronology of the annexation of Crimea

What to do in Crimea?


  • All the participants realized how fragile Ukraine’s position in the Crimea was, as many army servicemen and members of the riot police had deserted or joined the enemy.
  • PM Yatseniuk mulled a political settlement with the self-proclaimed authorities in Crimea (fiscal decentralization, language concessions), but admitted Russia would not allow such a settlement. Interestingly, another participant of the discussion, Andriy Senchenko (an MP from Crimea, member of Tymoshenko’s party) openly contradicted Yatseniuk. Senchenko claimed that it would be wrong to “negotiate with traitors and separatists” and suggested some half-baked legislative changes instead.
  • However, not all NSDC members seemed to even agree on the legal status of Russia’s collaborators in Crimea. Prosecutor General Makhnitsky, nominated by the right-wing-populist Svoboda party, claimed that the most his Office could charge Aksenov and Konstantinov with (Russian puppets in Crimea) was “illegal power grab”, not separatism. That nonchalant designation provoked Turchynov’s indignant outburst that they were “terrorists” and “separatists”.
  • Some participants seemed more concerned with the internal threats to the authorities in mainland Ukraine rather than the Russian aggression in Crimea. For example, deputy PM Yarema (responsible for law enforcement) insisted on immediate arrest of a notorious Right Sector member as a way to show consolidation of power post-Maidan.
  • In the end, Turchynov initiated a vote on the introduction of martial law in Crimea, but all the other NSDC members spoke against it. Yatseniuk claimed it would be tantamount to announcing war against Russia, which Ukraine could ill-afford. Apparently, Yatseniuk was a dove in that discussion with tacit support from his colleagues Yarema and Tenyukh. Tymoshenko also claimed that “we should become the most peaceful nation on Earth and behave like doves of peace”; her only proposal was “holding peace conferences” and writing addresses to Western countries.
  • The then-head of the Central Bank Kubiv claimed that deposits were actively withdrawn from bank accounts in Crimea and Interior Minister Avakov explained that Russians created effective supply chains for the defecting Berkut riot policemen on the peninsula. No ideas were voiced on how to tackle these challenges.


Could the West help?


  • Then-Defence Minister Teniukh asked the NSDC’s authorization for full combat readiness of Ukrainian troops, especially the aviation. He was particularly wary of getting embroiled in Crimea to only be attacked by Russia in the north: Teniukh opined that Russian troops could reach Kyiv overnight.
  • PM Yatseniuk appeared quite pessimistic about Ukraine’s chances to get military assistance from any of the Western countries. No-one in the room appeared ready to contradict him on this. It was as if Yatseniuk totally monopolized the dialogue with international partners. With hindsight, such “monopolization” of external communication might have been hugely detrimental. For example, Yatseniuk also claimed that the US had “no position yet” after talking to US vice-president Biden, but he did not elaborate on how his office intended to change that.
  • SSU chief Nalyvaichenko claimed that “Americans and Germans” asked Ukraine to refrain from any active steps, because their intelligence signaled Russia’s readiness to start ground operations against Ukraine in the east. Similarly, the then-Foreign Minister Deshchytsia implied Visegrad-4 countries (Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Czech Republic) cautioned him against drastic moves.
  • Yulia Tymoshenko, released from prison just a week before, was also present at the meeting as a leader of a major parliamentary faction. Yet the first time when Tymoshenko actually entered the discussion was when Turchynov suggested that Ukraine could request joining the NATO. That’s when Tymoshenko declared that talking of “urgent NATO membership would provoke even bigger Russian aggression”. Turchynov had to calm her down that the discussion was about consultations with NATO, not public statements.


Threats from Moscow


  • Right in the middle of the discussion, the Head of Russian Duma Naryshkin called Turchynov on the phone to “pass threats from Putin”, as Turchynov himself put it. Allegedly, Naryshkin warned that if a single Russian soldier in Crimea was killed, Russia would declare the Ukrainian leadership “war criminals”.
  • In response to those threats, Turchynov suggested a massive mobilization and transfer of Ukrainian troops from the West and Centre to the Eastern borders. Tymoshenko interrupted Turchynov to claim that a massive panic would ensue as Ukrainians will see “tanks roll across their cities” (that intimidating statement turned out to be utterly untrue as the events in the next months would show).
  • In the end, Turchynov was the only NSDC member to vote for announcing a martial law in Ukraine. Instead, the NSDC approved a 7-point resolution containing less divisive provisions.


Evgen Vorobiov is an analyst of international relations doing research on EU-Ukraine Association process and following the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Currently unaffiliated, he spent 2.5 years of working at major think-tanks in the European Union and 2 years at a market consultancy firm in Ukraine. He holds a Master’s Degree (cum laude) in European Studies and International Politics from Maastricht University. Follow him at @vorobyov

 

 
Russia’s “little green men” special forces annexing Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea. February 2014
 
Russian army invading Crimea, Ukraine
 
Angeblicher russischer Soldat vor dem ukrainischen Militärstützpunkt Perewalnoje bei Simferopol auf der Krim – Foto: Daniel Van Moll/Nur/Photoshot
 
A soldier of the Russian annexation force flashes a victory sign while marching near a Ukrainian army base in Perevalne, Crimea. March 2014
 
Armed Russian soldiers block the entrance to a Ukrainian naval border guard base in Sevastopol during the annexation of the Crimea region of Ukraine. March 2014. (Image: New York Times)
 
A man holds a sign in a protest against Russian military intervention in the Crimea region of Ukraine on March 2, 2014 in New York City.
 
The Crimean “Referendum” of March 2014 (Image: RFE/RL)
 
Crimean Tartar protest against the Russian occupation.
 

 

 
A Ukrainian base in Crimea surrounded by the “little green men,” heavily armed troops wearing no ensignia to hide the fact that the troops were Russian special forces. February 2014
 
The ‘No Filters’ exhibition of Russian political cartoons, which took place in Moscow in October-November 2014, celebrated Putin’s Anschluss of Crimea and invasion in the Donbas a few months earlier while making fun of Western sanctions.
 
Putin in the occupied Sevastopol celebrating the Russian Anschluss of Crimea from Ukraine. May 2014. (Image: EPA/UPG)
 

 
In a hybrid war operation, Russian “little green men”, heavily armed soldiers without insignia, annexed Crimea from Ukraine. February 2014.
 
A portrait of Putin with “Crimea” written on the upper lip
 
Crimean Tatar protest against Russian occupation of the Crimea. The sign in Russian reads: “We are on our own land!”
 
Mustafa Cemilev, the longtime leader of the Crimean Tatar national movement
 
Russian President Vladimir Putin giving a speech celebrating the annexation of Crimea by Russia during his visit to the port of Sevastopol on May 9, 2014. (Image: YURI KADOBNOV/AFP/Getty Images)
 
A Ukrainian man stands in protest in front of unmarked Russian soldiers in the Crimea
 
Armed guards block the entrance to a naval border guard base in Sevastopol, in the Crimea region of Ukraine March 2014. New York Times
 

 

 

 
Crimea Is Ukraine – graffiti in Kyiv
 
“Crimea is Ukraine”
 
“Crimean Tatars want peace”
 
“No to war! Crimea is Ukraine!”
 
A Crimean Tatar woman holds a sign “Crimea Is Ukraine” in protest to the “referendum” imposed by force by Moscow in March 2014.
 
Celebration of Crimea Anschluss near the Kremlin in Moscow, Russia (Photo: ng.ru)
 
A soldier of the Russian occupation force atop an IFV in Crimea. (Image: epa.eu)
 
Crimean Tartars (photo: oleg-leusenko.livejournal.com)
 
Chief editor of the Crimean Tartar-language “Avdet” Shevkey Kaybullayev, whose newspaper was denied a license to continue to operate in Crimea by Russia’s media watchdog Roskomnadzor, as reported by an also-shuttering Crimean News Agency (Photo: QHA)
 
Putin was shunned at the 2014 G20 meeting in Australia after the Crimea Anschluss by Russia.
 
A girl in a national Crimean Tatar dress holds a placard during a protest against the presence of Russian troops in Crimea, Bakhchysaray, Crimea, March 5, 2014 (Image: mfa.gov.ua)
 
17 minutes before the channel shutdown, an online poll shows 99.2% of respondents said “Yes” to a question “Do you need ATR TV channel?” (Image: @CrimeaUA1 on Twitter.com)
 
A protester in Europe wearing a Crimean Tatar flag with a sign protesting the shuttering of Crimean Tatar media outlets by Russian occupiers in April 2015 (Photo: Olexei Ivanov, day.kiev.ua)
 
ATR poll in the bottom of the screen shows 82% of ATR viewers against the Crimea Anschluss by Russia in March 2014
 
Oleg Sentsov, Ukrainian filmmaker and resident of Crimea illegally arrested on made-up charges and imprisoned by Putin’s regime #FreeSentsov
 
The pin on the chest of the protester says: “Don’t Kill ATR!” at the protest against the shuttering of Crimean media outlets by the Kremlin, March 2015
 
Russian propaganda in advance of the “referendum” conducted by the Russian occupation force.
 
Protest against the shutdown of ATR Crimean Tartar TV channel in Crimea by the Russian occupation authorities (Image: krymr.org)
 
A billboard in Crimea
 
“USSR, Crimea’s Ours, Bitch”


Source: Evgen Vorobiov’s blog

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Message  Thuramir le Mer 24 Fév - 10:44

Александр a écrit:As Crimea was occupied, Western countries cautioned Ukraine against “drastic steps”

La publication de ces documents est très révélatrice de certains faits et de certaines réalités :

  1. Aucun pays de l’ouest n’était - et n’est - disposé à faire la guerre pour défendre l’intégrité territoriale de l’Ukraine. Il faut toujours compter sur soi quand on n'est pas indispensable aux autres.
  2. L’Ukraine était, après la révolution du Maïdan, militairement très faible et non préparée à défendre son territoire. Cela a changé, mais à quel prix !
  3. Yatseniuk semble avoir voulu tirer la couverture à lui et jouer un double jeu, en gagnant du temps, de même que Tymoshenko, qui se préoccupait plus de ses intérêts financiers personnels que de son pays. Ce sont deux individus qui ne sont pas dignes de participer au pouvoir. Seul Turchynov semble avoir eu en vue l’intérêt de la nation et avoir les pieds sur  terre.
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Message  benoit77 le Jeu 25 Fév - 14:22

Site de propagande ! pardon d'infos sur le pont de Crimée :

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Message  Александр le Jeu 25 Fév - 14:59

Oui, ben tantôt je lisais qu'ils ne sont pas près de le voir ce pont . . .
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Message  pyxous le Jeu 25 Fév - 18:46

d'après la propagande russe, ouverture en 2019
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