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Message  Matt le Dim 19 Avr - 1:28

Justement Richard, il faut oeuvrer en faveur de l'Ukraine . . . par tous les moyens dont on dispose, si modestes soient-ils.
Chacun à son échelle et avec les moyens dont il dispose.

Et toi, que fais-tu?

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Message  tarkan le Dim 19 Avr - 9:46

Il profite du taux de change de la grivna? En d'autres temps, on appelait cela un profiteur de guerre... Rolling Eyes
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Message  richard le Ven 24 Avr - 15:50

nous avons une définition très différente des profiteurs de guerre je regrette  et de mon point de vue depuis Euro Maidan ce pays a perdu 6000 hommes , la crimee , une partie de son pays a l est ,  60pc valeur grivna et une grand  nombre d emplois  , des faits du concret 
il est vrai en contre partie on visite la maison de l ex président qui est en effet luxurieuse sur cinq etages mais combien de magasins de chocolat  ont été ouverts a kiev et en ukraine depuis un an .....c est ma définition des profiteurs de guerre
je vais prendre quelques photos 

je suis a cette période de l année depuis  presque un quart de siecle et je n influence pas le cours de la monnaie en changeant quelques euro ou dollars
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Message  tarkan le Ven 24 Avr - 16:16

Mais oui Richard bien sûr. Toi et d'autres vous avez un sacré problème avec la définition des mots. Peut être que ce serait bien de vous achetez un dictionnaire.

Profiteur de guerre, selon Wikipedia:

"Un profiteur de guerre est une personne physique ou morale qui, de manière légale, spéculative ou délictueuse, tire un enrichissement personnel d'un conflit armé. 


(...)


Si ces activités ne sont pas toujours, à proprement parler, considérées comme illégales par les États, elles n'en paraissent pas moins ordinairement contraires à l'« éthique des affaires » pour l'opinion publique. Le terme « profiteur de guerre » reste donc marqué d'une forte connotation péjorative, que ce soit dans la conversation courante ou le discours politique - son pendant, en temps de paix, étant celui de « profiteur de crise », en particulier dans les temps de situation économique difficile."

Je trouve que ça te sied parfaitement

Il me semble ne pas avoir été le seul à t'avoir fait le reproche. Aussi, je te repose la même question que celle de Matt: et toi, concrètement, que fais-tu pour le pays?
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Message  richard le Ven 24 Avr - 17:03

Je te rassure je ne fais absolument rien  sauf du tourisme comme dans les autres pays que je visite sauf erreur ce n est pas dans ta définition copier coller 
ce matin par exemple je suis aller m acheter des oeufs et des champignons ensuite un cafe bu avec un nigérien
comme j avais annule mon rendez vous massage je suis allé m excuser auprès de ludmilla de vive voix
ensuite retour en flânant et repos hier les ukrainiens m ont massacre un repas chez tareras et nathalie et ensuite  repas chez parents de ludmilla 
retour tardif mais avant fermeture du métro 
cet après midi repos un peu et je sors je vais prendre une photo d un des nouveau magasin de chocolat et ensuite un pot avec lilial
cette femme  passait ses soirées au centre de la ville pendant la guerre a kiev
elle avait un travail correct avec une mutuelle depuis 20 ans , suite aux problemes économiques en russie elle a été licenciee 
elle travaille de nouveau et 6 jours sur 7 le lundi repos dans un centre d appels pour vendre des contrats banque aux russes .....
je vous assure tous qu elle n est pas contente 
ce soir sauf invitation je rentre de bonne heure
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Message  tarkan le Ven 24 Avr - 17:22

T'es sérieux là? C'est fort ce que tu fumes mon gars... 

Tu veux que je te copie/colle tes propos sur le routard, ou la fois où t'es moqué de dova qui voulait me donner 3 vestes doudounes d'hiver? J'ai pourtant un humour glauque mais j'ai souvent trouvé tes propos abjects. 

Tu profites du change favorable, tu te lamentes, mais finalement tu fous rien. Mis à part jouer les suce-chapka en regrettant le bon vieux temps, tu fais quoi? Tu donnes des vêtements à des réfugiés? Tu loues des appartements pour les loger? Tu donnes de ton temps pour les aider avec les démarches administratives? Tu donnes de l'argent, de la bouffe ou des équipements aux volontaires? Non

Ceux qui ont la belle vie dans un pays qui lutte contre une agression sont rarement ceux qui s'impliquent directement sur le terrain. Des boulets quoi.
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Message  richard le Ven 24 Avr - 23:34

je répondrai et expliquerai  au sujet de doudoune lacoste un peu plus tard peut être le 35 car le 36 est déjà pris et on va exploser ce forum tu peux continuer d écrire ici je finis mes congés tranquille et je ne lirai meme pas tes reponses
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Message  tarkan le Ven 24 Avr - 23:39

Mince, tu sais encore quel jour on est avec tout ce que tu t'enfiles dans le cornet mon pauvre gars? Au lieu de te faire masser, t'as pas envie que je te donne quelques adresses d'ONG sur place pour que tu serves à quelque chose?

Posté par Krispoluk (460 messages) le 29 septembre 2014 à 23:20



Commentaire sur : " Avec ton Lacoste il commence à faire froid ensuite tu pourras etre fier d en faire profiter un pauvre
Bon séjour..."
Putain, t'es bien placé pour en parler Richard, toi qui te vantais d'aller en vacances en Ukraine pour profiter de l'excellent rapport de change entre l'Euro et la Grivna, j'ai été profondément outré de tes propos, pas loin de te considérer comme un "profiteur de guerre"... T'as pas honte ! Et tu te permets en plus de critiquer un mec généreux qui veux faire un don pour l'Ukraine...
Tu n'est qu'une personne méprisable Richard et le pire c'est que tu ne t'en rend même pas compte...Pitoyable !
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Message  Александр le Mar 5 Mai - 15:34

Ils s'en rendent compte:

Didier Burkhalter plaide pour un renforcement du rôle de l’OSCE dans la gestion des crises

Berne, 05.05.2015 - Les leçons à tirer de la crise ukrainienne pour l’Organisation de la coopération et de la sécurité en Europe (OSCE), les moyens de renforcer les missions de l’OSCE engagées dans des opérations de paix, ainsi que la dimension économique dans les tensions européennes ont été au centre de l’intervention du conseiller fédéral Didier Burkhalter qui s’est exprimé, mardi à Genève, devant le panel sur la sécurité européenne. Ce panel indépendant de quinze experts, mis en place par la Troïka de l’OSCE à la conférence ministérielle de Bâle, a tenu sa seconde réunion dans la cité lémanique. 

L’ONU s’apprêtant à repenser ses opérations de paix et les collaborations qu’elle a dans le domaine avec des organisations régionales, « l’OSCE doit également réfléchir, notamment à la lumière de l’expérience faite en Ukraine par la mission spéciale d’observation (SMM), sur son rôle dans ce genre de mission. Des missions essentiellement civiles mais qu’il convient de doter de capacités plus robustes (protection corporelle, véhicules blindés, drones, etc.) leur permettant de se protéger et de se rendre sur le théâtre des conflits contemporains », a estimé le chef du Département fédéral des affaires étrangères (DFAE).

« Depuis la création de l’OSCE, les conflits sont devenus plus complexes, ont souvent des dimensions régionales et ont un potentiel élevé de violence à l’encontre des civils », a relevé le conseiller fédéral avant de souligner que « l’OSCE devait s’adapter aux besoins moderne de management de crise ». C’est un pas important pour renforcer la capacité d’action de l’OSCE, a conclu Didier Burkhalter.

Le chef du DFAE s’est également penché sur la dimension économique des conflits en relevant que les processus d’intégration économique pouvaient déstabiliser la sécurité européenne si ces enjeux économiques étaient perçus en terme géopolitique. La crise ukrainienne a également démontré comment les conflits armés pouvaient amener une fragmentation économique à l’intérieur du pays, fragmentation qui est un élément supplémentaire de déstabilisation.

Là également, a relevé Didier Burkhalter, l’OSCE a un rôle à jouer en renforçant les liens économiques régionaux avec des mesures permettant de rétablir la confiance et en réduisant les fractures internes. Le conseiller fédéral s’est ainsi clairement déterminé pour un renforcement de la deuxième dimension de l’OSCE qui porte sur la coopération économique et environnementale entre les 57 pays membres de l’organisation.

En créant ce panel sur la sécurité européenne, présidé par Wolfgang Ischinger, président de la conférence sur la sécurité de  Munich, et dont l’ancienne conseillère nationale Barbara Haering fait partie, l’OSCE a souhaité stimuler la réflexion sur le futur de la sécurité en Europe. Les experts sont chargés de faire des propositions (deux rapports sont prévus à mi et fin 2015) allant dans le sens d’un renforcement de la sécurité européenne en tant que projet commun.
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Message  Александр le Jeu 4 Juin - 10:23

Dernier rapport de l'OSCE concernant les actions d'hier:

Spot report by the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine (SMM), 3 June 2015: Fighting around Marinka

Kyiv 4 June 2015

Summary

Fighting erupted around the government-controlled town of Marinka (23km west-south-west of Donetsk city centre) in the morning of 3 June. The SMM observed the movement of a large amount of heavy weapons in “Donetsk People’s Republic” (“DPR”)-controlled areas – generally in a westerly direction towards the contact line – close to Marinka, preceding and during the fighting. Calm was restored by the early evening.

Detail

Between 22:30hrs on 2 June and 05:30hrs on 3 June, the SMM – positioned in the “Donetsk People’s Republic” (“DPR”)-controlled Tekstilshchik area of Donetsk city (14km east-north-east of Marinka) – made a number of observations. It observed, inter alia, eight tracked armoured vehicles moving west, four of which were main battle tanks (MBT) at 22:30hrs; four MBTs at 23:03hrs; a military-type truck moving west, towing a 122mm artillery piece at 23:45hrs; two T-64 MBTs moving west at 04:30hrs; and a column of one infantry fighting vehicle (BMP-2), three military trucks (one carrying an ZU-23-2 anti-aircraft gun), and two T-72 MBTs, moving west, at 04:50hrs. In addition, the SMM – at the same location – heard approximately 100 outgoing artillery rounds fired from a location 1-5km north-north-west of its position between 04:30 and 04:40hrs; an outgoing salvo of BM-21 multiple launch rocket system (MLRS) Grad rockets fired from a location 1-5km west of its position at 04:55hrs; and, 100 outgoing artillery rounds fired from a location 5km north-north-west of its position.

Between 04:30 and 05:00hrs, the SMM – positioned in Donetsk city-centre – heard several salvos of outgoing MLRS rockets and approximately 100 incoming heavy-artillery rounds.

Between 07:00 and 08:00hrs, the SMM – mobile in an area 6-9km east of Marinka – observed seven T-64 MBTs facing west. In addition, it heard, on two separate occasions, more than five salvos of outgoing MLRS (BM-21) rockets and heavy-mortar rounds; and 12 outgoing MLRS Grad rockets and mortars.

At approximately 06:00hrs, an SMM unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) observed intense shelling targeting an intersection of the H15 highway 3.5km south-west of Marinka. The UAV spotted four 2S3 Akatsiya 152mm self-propelled howitzers 9km south-west of the town at 15:30hrs.

The SMM made several attempts between 10:45 and 12:11hrs to contact high-ranking “DPR” personnel – including the “DPR” “prime minister”, “parliamentary speaker”, “minister of defence” and “chief of the general staff” – in order to facilitate a cessation to the fighting around Marinka. Either they were unavailable or did not wish to speak to the SMM.

At 15:00hrs the SMM received a letter from the Ukrainian Ministry of Defence, saying Ukrainian Armed Forces heavy weapons would be placed on the contact line in order to deal with the “real threat” posed by the fighting in Marinka, which they said had started at 06:00hrs that morning. Ukrainian officials later publicly acknowledged that the weapons had been used, saying their use was necessary in thwarting a “DPR” attack.

The Representative of the Russian Federation Armed Forces to the Joint Centre for Control and Co-ordination told the SMM at 15:00hrs that a ceasefire around Marinka would take effect at 17:00hrs. He told the SMM at 21:00hrs that the situation around Marinka was currently calm. At around 19:00hrs a representative of the Anti-Terrorist Operation command in Kramatorsk and the “DPR” “ministry of defence” confirmed to the SMM that Marinka was under government control.

The SMM will follow up on reports of civilian and military casualties in Marinka. 
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Message  Александр le Jeu 20 Aoû - 8:22

Ukraine: les observateurs de l’OSCE «harcelés» dans l’est du pays

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Les quatre voitures blindées des observateurs recouvertes de bâches. Elles ont été incendiées devant une résidence de la mission de l'OSCE, qui surveille le conflit dans l'Est séparatiste pro-russe. Donetsk, le 9 août 2015.

REUTERS/Alexander Ermochenko

Les observateurs de l'OSCE, dans l'est de l'Ukraine, font face à des niveaux « sans précédent » de harcèlement, notamment de la part des séparatistes pro-russes. C'est ce qu'a déclaré, mercredi 19 août, le chef de la mission de l'OSCE en Ukraine.
  


La sécurité de la mission « a été mise à l'épreuve à un niveau sans précédent depuis quelques semaines. Nos patrouilles ont été visées par des tirs, y compris de tirs d'armes lourdes », a déclaré le chef de la mission d'observation de l'Organisation pour la sécurité et la coopération en Europe (OSCE) en Ukraine, Ertugrul Apakan.

« Des observateurs ont été harcelés, des armes ont été pointées en leur direction », a-t-il ajouté, précisant que l'épisode le plus violent a eu lieu dans la nuit du 8 août à Donetsk, le fief des séparatistes pro-russes dans l'est de l'Ukraine. Quatre voitures blindées des observateurs ont été alors incendiées. « C'était probablement une attaque directe contre la mission, dans le but de saboter ses opérations », selon le diplomate turc qui dirige la mission d'observation.

Ces dernières semaines, les incidents se sont produits des deux côtés de la ligne de front, mais surtout du côté des rebelles pro-russes, a-t-il précisé. Ertugrul Apakan s'est plaint que le brouillage des drones dont dispose la mission s'était intensifié.

La situation sur le terrain semble donc s'aggraver d'une manière générale. Le chef des observateurs a insisté sur le fait que les combats sont plus fréquents et plus sérieux, ainsi que les violations du cessez-le-feu.

D'autre part:

OSCE Observers Said They Had No problems With Moving In Territory Controlled By Ukraine

The representative of the OSCE SMM’s office in Kramatorsk confirmed the absence of any problems with the access to the territories controlled by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
As the press service of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine reports, this was stated by the press officer of the Ukrainian side in the Joint Center Ruslan Semeniuk.

Today, on 19 August, a working meeting of the head of the Ukrainian side in the Joint Center for control and coordination Major General Borys Kremenetskyi with Deputy Head of the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission Alexander Hug took place at the boundary line in Mayorsk in the Donetsk region.

The parties discussed issues of further cooperation between the OSCE and Joint Center.

Alexander Huh has stressed that there are no problems with Mission’s movement in the territory controlled by Ukrainian military. At the same time he has told that such problems exist in the areas controlled by the illegal armed formations.

During the meeting, Alexander Huh has announced that he will make a statement about this to the press.

For your information, today, Head of the OSCE SMM called on pro-Russian militants to stop attacks against international observers.
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Message  Александр le Jeu 20 Aoû - 12:27

Russia talks of peace but refuses to impl its Minsk commitments that would make peace possible

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Response to the Address of the Chief Monitor of the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine, Ambassador Ertugrul Apakan

As delivered by Ambassador Daniel B. Baer to the Special Permanent Council, Vienna | August 19, 2015

At the outset, let me thank the Chairmanship for holding this special meeting of the Permanent Council to address the disturbing developments in Ukraine, and Ambassador Apakan for briefing us on the situation.

Ambassador Apakan, as you noted, conditions on the ground in eastern Ukraine are more volatile and unpredictable than before. Your characterization of the situation as a “violent stalemate” is apt considering the regular reoccurrence of ceasefire violations and the aggression directed toward the SMM.  

In recent weeks, we have witnessed a disturbing pattern of targeted attacks on SMM personnel and property in separatist-controlled areas. Clearly, some groups hope to intimidate SMM monitors. On August 16, a separatist fighter at a checkpoint threw an unexploded 122mm artillery shell into an SMM vehicle. We join Foreign Minister Dačić in condemning the arson attack that destroyed four SMM vehicles in Donetsk city, and all other attempts to hamper the SMM’s valuable work in eastern Ukraine. I hope  colleagues also took note of our distinguished Russian colleague’s comment today saying that “objective reporting” was “vital for monitors’ safety.” I hope that wasn’t a threat.  We appreciate the steps taken to improve security, particularly around SMM offices and residences in separatist-controlled Donetsk city, which has been the site of some of the more egregious efforts to intimidate the SMM. These occur at the same time that SMM UAVs continue to experience severe – what you’ve called “military-grade” – jamming, which has led to their crashing. The SMM remains unable to access large swaths of separatist-controlled territory, including most of the area along Ukraine’s border with Russia.

Mr. Chair, since our last meeting, combined Russian-separatist forces have sharply escalated their attacks on Ukrainian positions across the ceasefire line at various locations along the line of contact. On any particular day in the past month, the Ukrainian government reports that its forces have sustained over 100 incidents of shelling or shooting in a 24-hour period, making this the most intense period for attacks by combined Russian-separatist forces since their February offense against Debaltseve – their original, immediate, massive violations of the Minsk Package of Measures. Many of these attacks occur at night, when the SMM is not patrolling, and are thus not recorded in SMM daily reports. For example, overnight on August 16 to 17, combined Russian-separatist forces intensified their shelling of Ukrainian held territory on the outskirts of Mariupol and other areas at the southern end of the line of contact. Combined Russian-separatist forces shelled Lebedynbsky, Hnutove, and Sartana, all of which are populated, resulting in deaths and injuries among the local population and damage to gas, electricity and water infrastructure. Combined Russian-separatist forces also shelled Ukrainian positions around the now depopulated town of Shyrokyne. Ukrainian forces deployed heavy weapons for defensive retaliatory strikes.

While many of the attacks by combined Russian-separatist forces occurred at times that the SMM was not able to witness and report on them, the SMM has seen the aftermath of such attacks and reported on the presence of craters, damage to infrastructure, and unexploded ordinance in numerous locations.

At the same time that combined Russian-separatist forces increase their attacks on Ukrainian positions, Russian political leaders and media attempt to fool and dissemble by raising alarm about a so-called “impending Ukrainian offensive.”  Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov did so during an August 17 press conference, when he claimed that Ukrainian actions “look like preparation for an offensive.” Colleagues, let’s be clear: there is a victim and an aggressor here. And Russia’s aggression against Ukraine continues unabated in an attempt to use violence to control Ukraine and to deprive people living in Ukraine of a stronger future. Our Russian colleague’s statement today that “another armed provocation by Ukraine looked just like last August” is laughable and outrageous: last August is when Russian forces invaded Ukraine, causing the tragedy at Ilovaysk.

We hope Russia will walk back this ongoing escalation. We reiterate our call for Russia and the separatists it backs to resolve the conflict in eastern Ukraine, not on the battlefield, but at the negotiating table in the Trilateral Contact Group format Russia agreed to when it signed the Minsk agreements in September 2014 and later in February 2015. We call upon Russia and the separatists to engage in discussions in the Trilateral Working Group’s working groups in good faith, and with an aim to finding a peaceful resolution to the fighting in eastern Ukraine.
Mr. Chair, Ambassador Apakan, in the Permanent Council we regularly hear our distinguished Russian colleagues present a very different story. They blame Ukraine for the conflict, they pay lip service to the Minsk agreements, and call for peace. It is essential that we remember the context in which they speak:  Ukraine did not send arms, materiel, and fighters into its neighbor’s sovereign territory, or violently seize hundreds of square kilometers of the territory beyond the contact line agreed to at Minsk. That was the work of combined Russian-separatist forces. Indeed, without Russia providing tanks, armored vehicles, heavy artillery, and military personnel, training, and elements of command and control to the separatists, there would be no fighting in eastern Ukraine. Time and time again, Russia talks of peace but refuses to implement its Minsk commitments that would make peace possible. If Russia truly wants peace, it must act, not just talk. If Russia truly wants peace, it must halt its use of heavy weaponry, withdraw its soldiers from Ukrainian territory, and fully implement its Minsk commitments.
Finally, let me underscore that the United States does not recognize Russia’s attempted annexation of Crimea, which remains part of Ukraine, and we call on Russia to end its occupation of the peninsula.

Mr. Chair, Ambassador Apakan, before closing I’d like to share with you that I had the opportunity during this recess to travel to eastern Ukraine, to the cities of Kramatorsk and Slovyansk that had been liberated from Russian-separatist forces. And what I found on that visit was wholly consistent with what Ambassador Apakan said today, which is that the people living in Ukraine want peace. And that they believe that with peace they can solve all other problems. The visit to Slovyansk and Kramatorsk was such a remarkable study in contrast: because while we sat in a room that had bullet holes in the walls, and while we passed a bombed-out bridge, what we met were people who are hopeful about the future, who embraced peace, who are grateful to be living in government-controlled territory. We talked with IDPs who had escaped separatist-controlled territory, who had families still there who they were concerned about, and people from either side of the line of contact were completely united in wanting one thing, which was peace. This is what we found when we stopped at a youth center, when we showed up at a soccer pitch, or when we visited a home for IDPs.
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
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Message  richard le Sam 5 Sep - 19:46

svp qui partira comme observateur pour le 25 Octobre
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Message  Matt le Sam 5 Sep - 23:05

Marine Le Pen et ses coreligionnaires sponsorisé par le Kremlin!!

Question idiote, la réponse était connue (comme les résultats aussi, cfr le "référendum" de Crimée) avant les élections.

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Message  richard le Lun 7 Sep - 17:21

Réponse imbécile .Pourquoi publier sur ce forum les bulletins d information de OSCE????
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Message  benoit77 le Mer 9 Sep - 16:20

plus sérieux:

La mission du Bureau des institutions démocratiques et de l'organisation Human Rights pour la sécurité et la coopération en Europe (OSCE / BIDDH) ne participeront pas à l'observation des soi-disant «élections» qui sont contrôlées par des militants russes

http://www.unian.net/politics/1120340-obse-otkazalas-nablyudat-za-psevdovyiborami-v-dnri-lnr.html
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Message  Matt le Mer 9 Sep - 23:07

Purement logique, ce serait cautionner le terrorisme . . .

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Message  Caduce62 le Ven 16 Oct - 17:38

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Message  Krispoluk le Ven 16 Oct - 17:54

Ca c'est du bon poulet Ukrainien qualité "export" contrôle sanitaire, conditionnement hermétique de qualité UE et tout et tout... Vivement la Zone de libre échange  Laughing Laughing Laughing Cool


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Message  Matt le Ven 16 Oct - 23:51

No comment sur la photo . . .
Les terrorusses replient leur armement dans les bois, fait relevé par "les aveugles"

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Message  Александр le Mar 29 Mar - 10:42

Bon, vrais qu'ils n'ont pas la vie facile non plus:



Mais:

United for Ukraine          
Kremlin continues to insist that Russian citizens fighting in eastern #Ukraine are there strictly as “volunteers”.

Hug: OSCE’s data indicate that Russia is directly involved in the war in eastern Ukraine

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The Principal Deputy Chief Monitor of the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine, Alexander Hug, said information collected by the organization indicates that Russian troops have been directly involved in the war in eastern Ukraine since the conflict first erupted in the spring of 2014.

At the same time, speaking at a press conference in Odessa, Hug stressed the mission itself only reports on what it sees and hears, and refrains from drawing conclusions.

"From the beginning, we wrote in our reports about different types of weapons. It includes, among other things, electronic equipment, which interfered with the work of our drones. We wrote in our reports that observers recorded the presence of armed men with visible insignias of Russian troops on their uniforms. We also talked to prisoners who said that they were the soldiers of the Russian army. Also, we saw traces - not the vehicles themselves, but the traces of their movement across the border [from Russia to Ukraine]," Interfax-Ukraine quoted Hug as saying.

Despite the overwhelming evidence suggesting regular Russian troops and military equipment are actively involved in the war in the Donbas, the Kremlin continues to insist that Russian citizens fighting in eastern Ukraine are there strictly as “volunteers”. This is one of the main obstacles to the implementation of the Minsk Agreements, which call for the withdrawal of foreign armed groups, military equipment and mercenaries from the territory of Ukraine.
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Message  Александр le Lun 9 Mai - 7:55

KREMLIN HYBRID WAR: OSCE role in Ukraine makes Russia both aggressor and mediator

Former Ukraine observer: Russian presence and Western appeasement weaken OSCE mission

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Actor and observer? Russians make up one of the largest contingents of the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to east Ukraine despite Russia's role as a participant in the conflict
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Sunday, 08 May 2016 12:13


The OSCE Special Monitoring Mission (SMM) to Ukraine has been responsible for keeping track of the conflict in the country’s east since fighting first erupted in April 2014. The organization has gained huge international exposure via its prominent role in Ukraine, but it has also attracted significant criticism. The most vocal complaints have focused on the presence of Russians within the monitoring mission. As a key member state of the OSCE, Russia has every right to send observers to join the monitoring mission to Ukraine. Nevertheless, critics have argued that these Russian observers make a mockery of the OSCE’s efforts to monitor a conflict they regard as fuelled and directed by the Kremlin.

Polish international relations expert Lukasz Adamski was among the first batch of monitors to join the OSCE mission to Ukraine in spring 2014. He left the OSCE SMM after completing a six-month stint in Ukraine, and has since spoken of his frustration over the limitations of the monitoring mission.

Now back in Warsaw, 35-year-old Adamski currently heads the Research and Projects Office at the Centre for Polish-Russian Dialogue and Understanding (not to be confused with the Kremlin-backed ‘Foundation Polish-Russian Centre for Dialogue and Understanding’). He spoke to Business Ukraine magazine about his experiences with the OSCE in Ukraine, and explained why he reserves his most stinging criticism for the Western countries he accuses of seeking to appease Moscow.
 
You served in the initial OSCE monitoring mission from March-September 2014. What motivated you to sign up for the mission?
There were two main reasons. Russian aggression against Ukraine demanded a rapid reaction from the international community, including political support for Ukraine. Once the OSCE was designated one of the main tools to be deployed in Ukraine, I decided to apply for the post of reporting officer – the person responsible for preparing SMM reports related to the security situation, democracy, rule of law and human rights observance in Ukraine. Additionally, I saw this role as an opportunity to develop my experience as an analyst of international politics. I felt that working in an international organisation would give me a better understanding of foreign policy issues.
 
You have previously stated that you did not extend your 6-month contract as an OSCE monitor in east Ukraine because you ‘didn’t see any sense in working for the organization.’ How did the realities of the monitoring mission in Ukraine differ from your expectations?
When I applied for the job of reporting officer in March 2014, I was convinced that the OSCE should collect evidence of Russian aggression against Ukraine in Crimea, as well as evidence of Russian interference in the rest of Ukraine. I assumed that every reasonable and objective observer of Ukraine’s situation would understand that the country was a victim of Russian aggression. From my perspective, the most urgent task was preventing Russian subversion in southern and eastern Ukraine. I thought that as the OSCE reporting officer, I would be able to prepare analytically solid reports and thus influence the decision-making process of the OSCE and – more broadly – the international community. I soon realized I was mistaken. To some extent, I was guilty of being a little bit naïve.

According to established OSCE practice, reports should not provoke major controversies. Instead, they should be politically acceptable to all member states, with the emphasis on ‘balance’ rather than ‘objectivity’. In addition to this approach, I also quickly learned that I was only one of several links in the chain of report preparation. Information provided by OSCE monitoring teams had been often already been ‘sterilized’ by the time it reached me. As a result, the reports posted on the OSCE website were often far removed from that what I personally wished to include, and what should have been included.

The quality of the OSCE mission’s human resources was also a source of disappointment. There is no doubt in my mind that the overwhelming majority of the mission’s members were unprepared to deal with the politics of the situation they found themselves in. Many of them were former police officers or military officers who could report what they had seen, but they were not capable of understanding the political significance of what they had seen. They were able to collect information, but could not analyze it effectively.

It is obvious that you cannot collect the necessary information, not to say evidence of Russian aggression, if you are unable to find the right interlocutors, identify problems, ask the right questions, and read between the lines. Many of the monitors sent to Ukraine by OSCE member states were simply not prepared for the task. Furthermore, very few of them spoke fluent Russian. I met only one fellow monitor who spoke Ukrainian.

My impression was that many monitors were not interested in getting into the politics of the situation. Instead, their priority seemed to be maintaining their well-paid positions for as long as possible. Some were afraid that the mission’s mandate might end abruptly. They feared a Russian veto if the mission abandoned political correctness and reported openly.
 
In your previous interviews, you have spoken critically of the Russian role in the OSCE monitoring mission to Ukraine. Specifically, you commented: ‘when a state is both a party to a conflict and a mediator, it makes no sense.’ Based on your experience with the OSCE in Ukraine, do you believe the mission was fatally flawed from its conception?
Firstly, it is important to note that the SMM mandate did not explicitly mention Crimea, which effectively prevented the mission from developing its activities in the peninsula. Secondly, Russia was a party to the conflict but OSCE member states, including Ukraine, agreed in March 2014 that Russian monitors could participate in OSCE SMM activities in Ukraine. This gave Russia the opportunity to influence the mission via monitor reports, and, in some cases, via direct contact with politically unexperienced Western observers.

For example, Russian members of the SMM would tell OSCE colleagues that federalization is the only possible solution for Ukraine, or that the Russian language should be recognized as the second state language. They would refer to the experience of Finland or Switzerland, forgetting to mention that every country is specific and state bilingualism is more the exception than the rule in Europe. These narratives seemed convincing to some Western monitors, especially those viewing Ukraine from an uninformed and narrow perspective.

The most important flaw in the mission lies in the OSCE decision-making process, which reflects the will and political expectations of the organisation’s member states. The OSCE operates on the principle of consensus. This is the legal basis of its activities, which – in case of Ukraine –serves to prevent any attempts to use the mission as a political instrument to defend the victims of aggression. In this sense, my criticism is not directed against the mission management and my former colleagues, many of whom worked very hard. My criticism is primarily against those Western states and societies that pursue a policy of appeasement towards Russia.

It seems to me that the OSCE could have done much more in the first months of its activities in Ukraine. However, this might have put the monitoring mandate at risk and could also have posed a threat to the future of the organization as a whole. Was this cautious approach justified? Was it beneficial to Ukraine, given the political conditions in the country at the time? These are separate issues, but it is important to ask such questions.
 
The OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine is seen by many as a continuation of the organization’s monitoring role during the 1990s Balkan Wars. What do you regard as the key similarities and differences between the monitoring challenges in Ukraine and the Balkans?
The differences are obvious. In the Balkans, we faced conflicts between different nations.  Russia supported the integrity of Yugoslavia against separatism.  Sentiments of solidarity with Orthodox Christians, mainly Serbs, were also visible in Russia, but one should not overestimate its political significance. In Ukraine, Russia is a party to the conflict and is present in both Crimea and the Donbas. The Kremlin’s policy towards Ukraine is rooted in an obsolete and politically dangerous vision of Russian identity encompassing all Eastern Slavs. This leads us to the conclusion that the conflict in Ukraine is not only a war between two states, but also a conflict of identity for both Russians and Ukrainians, provoking enormous emotions among both political elites and the public. In the case of the Balkans, the situation was different.
 
You have said that the MH17 incident was a watershed moment for many in the OSCE monitoring mission. Following the attack on the airliner, you say many realised they were not dealing with an internal civil war but rather an international conflict. How did these changing attitudes impact on the mood within the OSCE monitoring mission?
The mission worked extremely hard during the days following the MH17 attack. Many observers witnessed the crash site and were personally shocked, which is absolutely understandable. It opened the eyes of those who had previously underestimated the significance of Russian interference in the conflict.
 
Based on your assessment of the OSCE’s strengths and weaknesses in east Ukraine, what role do you see for the OSCE in future conflict zones?
I would propose to either use the OSCE only in small regional conflicts, or to apply the ancient Roman principle: ‘nemo iudex in causa sua’ (literally: ‘nobody should be a judge in their own case’). In line with this principle, OSCE member states involved in conflicts would be barred from participating in monitoring missions.
 
About the interviewee: Lukasz Adamski is Head of the Research and Projects Office at the Centre for Polish-Russian Dialogue and Understanding in Warsaw. He was formerly a member of the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine.
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Message  benoit77 le Ven 3 Juin - 0:11

OSCE , sont-ils nuls ?

et bien non pour une fois et avec des yeux grands ouverts :
Un drone de l'osce a chopé deux violations en direct des zozos. violations du cessez-le feu par des tirs en direct + matos interdits dans cette zones.

http://news.liga.net/news/politics/10992637-dron_obse_zafiksiroval_ispolzovanie_boevikami_152_mm_artillerii.htm
http://news.liga.net/video/politics/10992662-obse_pokazala_snyatoe_dronom_video_ispolzovaniya_artillerii_dnr.htm

Bien sûr , demain ils diront que les images sont fabriqués dans les studios pixar et que tous cela n'est pas vrai.
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Message  Александр le Ven 3 Juin - 8:29

Et ils prennent des risques pour leur mission:

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Région de Lugansk hier.
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Message  benoit77 le Mar 7 Juin - 9:58

Menaces contre l'Osce :
http://news.liga.net/news/politics/11079182-boeviki_ugrozhayut_nablyudatelyam_sbit_bespilotnik_obse.htm

La suite ? attendre  que les zozos mitrailles et tuent des observateurs OSCE pour que "l'ouest" prennent la mesure  ?
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